Best Star Trek Ever

[cbl1]

I've been watching the first few seasons of Voyager lately in passing (when comes on BBC America). And the first 2 seasons actually had a little continuity and seemed to have a purpose. It's like Voyager got worse as it went along. But I seemed to care about the characters in those early seasons.

 

[Vger23]

I've been watching the first few seasons of Voyager lately in passing (when comes on BBC America). And the first 2 seasons actually had a little continuity and seemed to have a purpose. It's like Voyager got worse as it went along. But I seemed to care about the characters in those early seasons.

VOY was really inconsistent by my latest read (been doing a slow-rolling watch/rewatch on Netflix).

When it's good, it's really VERY good. When it's bad...it's worse than anything else the franchise has offered.

I've found VOY to be like comfort food. It's awesome to just curl up and watch and not be too overly engaged with...it just washes over you like a comfortable, familiar thing. And that's ok...but there's nothing there that I'm passionate about either. I don't care enough about anyone or anything to get emotional or fired up.

 

[cbl1]

I guess my biggest gripe about Voyager (other than the continued reset buttons) is the ending. Sometimes an ending that falls flat can ruin a show for re-watchability. The abrubt ending just fell short. After years of the Federation and Maquis crews integrating together. What was to happen with the Marquis. I mean yea we all knew Janeway would become an Admiral or get rewarded as such. But what about the Maquis crew. They should have been able to devote half an episode at the end as to how they were going to be accepted back into the Federation and learn what happened with Maquis after they left and how the war progressed while they were gone. They probably had a lot of questions as to what they missed along the way. Chakotay should have been pardoned and given a command. B'Elanna back to the academy and Paris a pardon/recommission. Kim - yea he probably just stayed an Ensign

I mean heck we got to see all that kind of stuff in Discovery finale after only one season of build up.

When there is a build up of years and then a big letdown as to you never know how it ends for them. Why rewatch?

I have same kind of issues with not liking ending of Battlestar Galactica - such a great show but now with so many let downs in final season in finale it just misses out on experiencing again.

 

[Lord Garth]

I figured all the Maquis were pardoned.

I'm actually glad we didn't see more of the AQ at the end of VOY. The Federation probably would've seemed like it was totally recovered from the Dominion War as if nothing happened. I would've liked if VOY returned home to a Federation that's been changed by DS9 -- whether or not for better or worse is debatable -- but I knew that wouldn't happen.

 

[Mudd]

NuBSG was marvelous.

 

[BillJ]

Best Star Trek Ever? The original Star Trek. No doubt about it. I have some love for each of the Berman-era spinoffs for different reasons. But none ever reached the sheer entertainment/fun factor of TOS.

Even though I think it is pretty poor right now, it isn't fair to rank a single season of Discovery vs. what came before. Beyond that, modern TV and the audience they are shooting for are completely different animals.

 

[fireproof78]

I've found VOY to be like comfort food. It's awesome to just curl up and watch and not be too overly engaged with...it just washes over you like a comfortable, familiar thing. And that's ok...but there's nothing there that I'm passionate about either. I don't care enough about anyone or anything to get emotional or fired up.

Probably the best summation I've seen for my money. I don't hate VOY but it wasn't a "Wow!" thing either.

I figured all the Maquis were pardoned.

I'm actually glad we didn't see more of the AQ at the end of VOY. The Federation probably would've seemed like it was totally recovered from the Dominion War as if nothing happened. I would've liked if VOY returned home to a Federation that's been changed by DS9 -- whether or not for better or worse is debatable -- but I knew that wouldn't happen.

That would have made an interesting novel series. I know many go on about Star Trek being a utopia for humanity but the Dominion War did a number on that society. It would be interesting to see the Voyager crew reintegrating in to society.

 

[XCV330]

I felt that afterwords, the UFP may have returned to utopia, but more of a Utopia With Teeth. After the Borg and Dominion conflicts I don't think they were likely to get caught unprepared again.

 

[Mudd]

Best Star Trek Ever? The original Star Trek.

This cannot reasonably be disputed.

 

[Lord Garth]

I felt that afterwords, the UFP may have returned to utopia, but more of a Utopia With Teeth. After the Borg and Dominion conflicts I don't think they were likely to get caught unprepared again.

That might be what we see in the Picard Series.

That would make sense. And this is where I want to say I wouldn't have a problem with the Picard Series not dealing with the aftermath of the Borg or the Dominion, considering it'll be about 25 years after FC and DS9 respectively. Just so long as there's some sign the Federation has taken something away from those experiences.

 

[The Boss]

Discovery is the best Star Trek series, out of all of them. Its only going to get better and better, too

 

[dauntless]

I've only watched one episode so far and I can categorically say that you are 100% wrong in that statement. Sorry.

 

[The Boss]

LoL! Well I'm not alone in my assessment of STD.

 

[cbl1]

Discovery is the best Trek on TV today …and great

 

[Uhura's Song]

I will reiterate what I said earlier.

Series rankings: TNG (by a hair), TOS,(small gap), DS9, (large gap), VOY/ENT (dead heat). Too early to rank DSC.

Best era/seasons: TOS 1-2, TNG 3-7, DS9 4-7, VOY 4, ENT 3-4, VOY 3.

Ranking of first seasons: TOS (by a country mile); DSC, VOY, ENT, (gap), DS9, TNG.

A couple salient points when comparing DSC S1 to the others.

One is that it lacked a great episode. Even poor seasons of the others had a great one (Duet), with the possible exception of TNG S1.

I thought the best episodes were "Context is for Kings", "Choose Your Pain", and the Pavho episodes. Not sure I would call any of them great.

The non-episodic nature of the season had the positive effect of keeping things interesting and I found myself generally enjoying & looking forward to the show. But on the downside, there was also usually something left hanging or unawswered after each episode, so that really fulfilling/great episode was harder to come by.

The length of the season is the other salient point. DSC had 15 episodes. TOS had 29, not counting The Cage. Nearly double. TNG S1 had 25. DS9 S1 20. VOY S1 had only 16, so that is comparable. ENT S1 had 26.

Even if the quality (average wise) is slightly higher, should there not be a penalty for brevity? Somewhat? I at least tended to just think of a season as good or bad and move on. But if you get down into the weeds on keeping score, should that be the case? Size matters. A great double CD is a lot better than a great single. White Album is the best Beattles for this very reason. Ditto Physical Graffiti for Led Zep.

YMMV, of course.

 

[Uhura's Song]

Ditto on the size thing for the series as a whole.

TOS/TAS: 80/22 episodes (including the Cage) for 102 total.
TNG: 178 episodes
DS9: 176 episodes
VOY: 172 episodes
ENT: 98 episodes
DSC: 15 episodes

Not even fair to compare at this stage, right?

 

[fireproof78]

Not even fair to compare at this stage, right?

No, it's not and does a disservice to all the shows being compared.

Watch Discovery or don't, but it isn't going to be TOS, TNG, DS9, ENT or the films. It simply could not be.

 

[Tuskin38]

I've only watched one episode so far and I can categorically say that you are 100% wrong in that statement. Sorry.

How can an opinion be wrong?

And in my opinion, I don't think you should judge an entire season off a single episode

That would be like putting off all of TNG because the only episode you watched was "Code of Honor". Or DS9 because you watched "Move Along Home".

You cannot adequately judge an entire TV show off a single episode, it just isn't possible, as a single episode is not representative of the entire series.

 

[BillJ]

You cannot adequately judge an entire TV show off a single episode, it just isn't possible, as a single episode is not representative of the entire series.

While I would always suggest watching more than one, a single episode can put someone off of a show. Hell, the opening Klingon monologue nearly destroyed the show for me. Then they kept on using them and it did.

 

[Ovation]

While I would always suggest watching more than one, a single episode can put someone off of a show. Hell, the opening Klingon monologue nearly destroyed the show for me. Then they kept on using them and it did.

It can put you off, but it cannot serve as a legitimate basis for judging the quality of the entire series. I think that is where the disconnect in this debate lies (in general, not with anyone in particular).