Best Soundtrack moments

[2takesfrakes]

Directorially, I'm not sure there were any other viable alternatives to breaking The Fourth Wall, in that instance. The drama was as heightened as it could otherwise be, without her breaking character, in some way - like having her jumping and screaming in a tantrum-like state, shouting, "... no! No!! NO!!!" It's never enough that a scene just play, without every ounce, every iota and scrap of drama being milked for all it is worth.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

STAR TREK II: when Scotty's bagpipe rendition of "Amazing Grace" swells into full orchestration as Spock's coffin is expelled into space . . .

Ironically, my wife (only a casual Trekkie, and then mostly TNG... also an ordained Christian pastor) burst out laughing at that scene. Spock is an alien, she says. It's not like he could conceivably be Christian.

Spock's mother was a teacher and from Earth, which could easily mean she was a Christian missionary. Sarek could have converted, and they raise Spock in the church.

That's not my interpretation, and I think a missionary facing Vulcan logic would have to do some fancy footwork, but I'm sure that's how some fans roll.

 

[HIjol]

How odd that the "Christian Thing" never occurred to me. I have never considered that a Christian song first, but rather a song of Mourning...but of course, if I think about the words in that Christian perspective...

Wow, the things you miss, sometimes!!!

 

[2takesfrakes]

Spock's mother was a teacher and from Earth, which could easily mean she was a Christian missionary. Sarek could have converted, and they raise Spock in the church.

That's not my interpretation, and I think a missionary facing Vulcan logic would have to do some fancy footwork, but I'm sure that's how some fans roll.

Pardon the pun, but I find this argument to be very "fascinating" ... and persuasive.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

STAR TREK II: when Scotty's bagpipe rendition of "Amazing Grace" swells into full orchestration as Spock's coffin is expelled into space . . .

Ironically, my wife (only a casual Trekkie, and then mostly TNG... also an ordained Christian pastor) burst out laughing at that scene. Spock is an alien, she says. It's not like he could conceivably be Christian.

The way this seemed to me was just Scotty honoring Spock in his own way.

Exactly. It wasn't about Spock. It was about Scotty paying tribute to his friend.

Heck, going by the Nicholas Meyer-cowritten STVI, Spock also would've been insulted by Kirk saying, "Of all the souls I've met in my travels, his was the most... human."

Funerals are for the living, not for the dead.

Riker's Pyrrhic Victory has saved the ship and won the day, with the score encouraging cinema-goers to erupt into thunderous applause! Despite the fact that this scene is embedded in this shite movie ... it's one of my most favourite STAR TREK movie moments.

That moment didn't have that effect on me at all. All I could think was, "The cheapskates recycled the exploding Bird of Prey footage from the last movie!" It was SUCH a memorable moment from STVI, it was pretty damn noticeable.

So for me, it was one of the things that made GEN a crappy movie.

 

[DonIago]

Riker's Pyrrhic Victory has saved the ship and won the day, with the score encouraging cinema-goers to erupt into thunderous applause! Despite the fact that this scene is embedded in this shite movie ... it's one of my most favourite STAR TREK movie moments.

That moment didn't have that effect on me at all. All I could think was, "The cheapskates recycled the exploding Bird of Prey footage from the last movie!" It was SUCH a memorable moment from STVI, it was pretty damn noticeable.

So for me, it was one of the things that made GEN a crappy movie.

I'm forced to agree. The reuse of footage in this instance was, for me anyway, inexcusable.

That it's followed by, "Oops, looks like they hit us one too many times!" doesn't help matters at all.

 

[Vger23]

The music that slowly rises in GEN as Kirk takes the horse out of his uncle's barn all the way through when Picard shows up is brilliant.

The intimate but rousing music (it's like a 4-note motif) when Sybok first confronts Spock in the shuttle bay in TFF, ("You KNOW I'm right!").

Ilia's Theme

The Enterprise leaving space dock in TWOK

The main title theme for FC is my favorite piece of Trek music ever, besides the (obvious) choice of the TMP theme.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

The Enterprise leaving space dock in TWOK

This is probably the big one for me. I still get tingles when that music kicks in and we see the spotlights on the Enterprise turning on. I always have to remind myself that it's repurposed footage from TMP.

 

[DonIago]

I have to say I think the footage works with both sets of music. I'd almost be curious to see how a general survey (not limited to those familiar with them already) would pan out as to which soundtrack was considered better.

 

[2takesfrakes]

Riker's Pyrrhic Victory has saved the ship and won the day ... it's one of my most favourite STAR TREK movie moments.

That moment didn't have that effect on me at all. All I could think was, "The cheapskates recycled the exploding Bird of Prey footage from the last movie!" It was SUCH a memorable moment from STVI, it was pretty damn noticeable.

So for me, it was one of the things that made GEN a crappy movie.

I'm forced to agree. The reuse of footage in this instance was, for me anyway, inexcusable.

That it's followed by, "Oops, looks like they hit us one too many times!" doesn't help matters at all.

Tough room! haha ... Who can argue that this cost-$aving re-use of movie footage was cheesy and obvious? I wouldn't dare! But from the very first STAR TREK sequel, on, this has been used ... sometimes, entire sequences, practically, like in TWoK. And, to be fair, it does look - to the untrained eye, at least - as though there had been some additions to the Bird of Prey explosion, like more, or different, debris and some generic fire. I'm confident that this pivitol TUC moment had been somehow modified for Generations.

 

[DonIago]

I don't recall seeing any differences, though it's possible. In any event, even on first viewing it took me completely out of the film, and I would dock a point from a review for it, heh.

I acknowledge that TWoK reused footage, but I can understand why they wouldn't want to reshoot an entire drydock sequence that would basically be identical to the first one in any case. That logic doesn't hold up as well for a single explosion which is obviously supposed to be one of the high points of the film.

 

[tharpdevenport]

No, no, you see -- because of how Birds-of-Prey are built structurally, they all explode in the same manner...



;-)

 

[DonIago]

(laughs) Doesn't matter where or how you shoot them down, you're getting the same explosion regardless!

 

[JonnyQuest037]

But from the very first STAR TREK sequel, on, this has been used ... sometimes, entire sequences, practically, like in TWoK. And, to be fair, it does look - to the untrained eye, at least - as though there had been some additions to the Bird of Prey explosion, like more, or different, debris and some generic fire. I'm confident that this pivitol TUC moment had been somehow modified for Generations.

I personally doubt it, but I'm not about to pop in my DVDs or searching on YouTube to double-check. It seems to me that any effort to differentiate the footage defeats the purpose of reusing the SFX in the first place. The entire point is to save time and money.

I personally don't have an issue with the TMP drydock sequence being reused in TWOK, as I'd imagine that the Enterprise leaving drydock looks more or less the same every time.

Yes, even that one guy in the spacesuit waving to the ship.

 

[Joe_Atari]

This, from TNG - Best of Both Worlds ("Captain Borg"):

https://youtu.be/FbbNn0yPJs0

When Jones ominously breaks into the TOS theme at 1:16... chills... every... single... time!

For me "that moment" when the torch was passed from TOS to TNG.

 

[DonIago]

But from the very first STAR TREK sequel, on, this has been used ... sometimes, entire sequences, practically, like in TWoK. And, to be fair, it does look - to the untrained eye, at least - as though there had been some additions to the Bird of Prey explosion, like more, or different, debris and some generic fire. I'm confident that this pivitol TUC moment had been somehow modified for Generations.

I personally doubt it, but I'm not about to pop in my DVDs or searching on YouTube to double-check. It seems to me that any effort to differentiate the footage defeats the purpose of reusing the SFX in the first place. The entire point is to save time and money.

I personally don't have an issue with the TMP drydock sequence being reused in TWOK, as I'd imagine that the Enterprise leaving drydock looks more or less the same every time.

Yes, even that one guy in the spacesuit waving to the ship.

Every proper drydock has a Designated Waver. They're the valets of the future!

 

[ZapBrannigan]

I acknowledge that TWoK reused footage, but I can understand why they wouldn't want to reshoot an entire drydock sequence that would basically be identical to the first one in any case.

TWOK never needed a drydock sequence, but the TMP footage was a pre-existing asset. It was already paid for, and great looking, so they wrote it into the sequel. Along with TMP's sets and some of its costumes, the drydock makes TWOK look like a bigger production than it was.

 

[mos6507]

Besides the Romeo and Juliet-esque segment of the Enterprise burning up in the atmosphere, this is my favorite segment of Trek music from James Horner, from this cue point up to around 2:40.

https://youtu.be/SJYCqOs_t5I?t=1m17s

This is, to me, the single best statement of the Trek II motif, with the richest orchestration (great harp lines and synth added in) and the best dynamics up to the big cymbal-crash crescendo.

Trek III in so many ways is an improvement to the Trek II score. Horner learned a lot about film scoring very quickly during that period.

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This is my single favorite segment of Goldsmith Trek below, from the cue point up to around 1:38. Just magical in a Disney fairy-tale way. TMP was worth sitting through just to get to the payoff of this end music.

https://youtu.be/p1BwG--g8_4?t=38s

 

[Drone]

I always find the final scenes in Homestead to be quite moving. While it might be a bit much to describe the perfectly suited piece to be elegiac, it certainly adds greatly to the poignancy being depicted.

 

[2takesfrakes]

Trek III in so many ways is an improvement to the Trek II score. Horner learned a lot about film scoring very quickly during that period.

... Agreed!