Best Season 4 of any series.

[Jack Bauer]

Re: Where's TOS?

Morpheus 02 said:

ktanner3 said:

Morpheus 02 said:
Hey -- where's TOS in the poll ? !

There was no season 4 in TOS.

Guess i should have added a smiley face on that one!

As far as i am concerned -- that's what the ANimated Series was...and the best in the sense that it was one important leg in keeping Trek as a whole alive, using "real" writers and trying out different concepts (such as truly alien crew members liek Arex)

Gene Rodenberry said that the animated series was not canon, so I don't consider it canon either.It's a cartoon.

Roddenberry also said that Dr. Crusher should walk like a stripper (see TNG Writers Bible) -- i don't think that's canon!

It's not but it should be!

 

[TedShatner10]

It Got Cancelled!

DS9 - The show got really special here, from what I can vaguely remember.

TNG - Season Four was TNG at it's quintessiential best...

Voy - Ditto for Voy as well. -TIE- Ent - Nailed a winning formulai fine before getting cancelled.

 

[Mallory]

I voted for Enterprise as well.

 

[TrekAlliance92]

Enterprise!

My top vote goes to...

Enterprise Season 4 - 10/10 - A breathtakingly awesome series that proved the show should have lasted 7 seasons like all other modern Treks. The Reeves-Stevenses and Coto provided wonderful continuity, great plots, rich creativity, and the Trekkian optimism in full force. Special effects continued to improve, and just about every episode was really great.

Voyager Season 4 - 9/10 - A great season with many great episodes including the classic "Year of Hell," "Message in a Bottle" with the awesome Prometeheus, the fun "The Killing Game" and several others. Voyager would only get better from here.

The Next Generation Season 4 - 7.5/10 - Sadly, TNG began to slide here after 3 superlative seasons, but still had many greats including the conclusion to "Best of Both Worlds," the fun "Devil's Due," and other good episodes like "Clues," "The Wounded," and "Legacy." Still, clunkers like the tepid "Family" bring this one down for sure.

Deep Space Nine Season 4 - 6.5/10 - It got off to an awesome start with one of the best DS9 episodes ever: "The Way of the Warrior." It also had some other good episodes like "Starship Down," "Rules of Engagement," and "Shattered Mirror." However, here is where DS9 began to jump the shark for me--the two part corrupt Starfleet episode began the dismantling of the humanistic future, the show lost exploration episodes still found in the first 3 seasons, and began to become too bogged down in the Dominion War.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Re: Where's TOS?

JackBooer said:

Morpheus 02 said:

ktanner3 said:

Morpheus 02 said:
Hey -- where's TOS in the poll ? !

There was no season 4 in TOS.

Guess i should have added a smiley face on that one!

As far as i am concerned -- that's what the ANimated Series was...and the best in the sense that it was one important leg in keeping Trek as a whole alive, using "real" writers and trying out different concepts (such as truly alien crew members liek Arex)

Gene Rodenberry said that the animated series was not canon, so I don't consider it canon either.It's a cartoon.

Roddenberry also said that Dr. Crusher should walk like a stripper (see TNG Writers Bible) -- i don't think that's canon!

It's not but it should be!

Stripper, dancer, tom-AY-to, to-MAH-to...

 

[Ethros]

Re: Where's TOS?

I want to be saying DS9, but I just have to go for ENT as there were some really terrific, fun episodes there.
Big shame it got cancelled IMO

 

[jimbtnp2]

blakbyrd said:
For me, it was Enterprise.

I can agree with that - i actually forgot enterprise in an other post, yep i'd put enterprise s4 ahead of ds9-4; ds9 was too inconsistent, had high-cheese moments etc, became a sopa opera, but when it was good it was entertaining

 

[euphorik]

TNG

 

[UnknownSample]

DS9, no contest. With Next Gen, s4 started out well, but about a third of the way in, there's no "daring" quality in it any more. It spins its wheels and settles into a complacent blandness.

All 3 24th century programs have great moments in their fourth seasons.

 

[serdogthehound]

UnknownSample said:


All 3 24th century programs have great moments in their fourth seasons.

and Enterprise doesn't?

 

[patlandness]

TNG and DS9 both had EXCELLENT 4th seasons.

VGR and ENT had middling to poor 4th seasons. (Though both "Living Witness" and "In a Mirror Darkly" parts I and II are my favorites of each show)

 

[commodore64]

TNG then Deep Space Nine.

 

[UnknownSample]

serdogthehound said:

UnknownSample said:


All 3 24th century programs have great moments in their fourth seasons.

and Enterprise doesn't?

That's what I meant. It had big events going for it, but simple, uninvolving dialogue. Manny was a fan, so he tried to force the plots to resolve long-standing continuity problems, which was nice of him. Events just happened, though. The people involved just did this or that task: they didn't seem to think or feel very much.
They were just there.

I just watched a couple Next Gens that I've never liked very much. I was surprised at the intelligence and maturity in them, by contrast with Enterprise. I wasn't won over by the NG episodes--- it's just that Enterprise seems so lifeless by comparison, even with more battles and arguing.

All the season fours were transitions, and were sort of inbetween in quality. Next Gen's edge from s3 held out for awhile, but seemed to just drain away over time. Next Gen was settling into its blander second half.

DS9 was improving. It had been already, but it was as if the show was giving itself a slap in the face in order to wake up from a deep sleep. (Kilngon war, Worf) The sleep intermittently took hold again, but they made more and more progress from then on. This was a Next Gen type show that decided it didn't want to be one anymore. It cured itself.

Voyager was trying to jolt itself, too.

VOY: Catsuit... That about sums it up.

Of course there was more to Voyager than a body suit, at least for a couple years, s4 and s5. It's amazing how much that suit is a magnet for attention from people, and how much influence it has over people's opinions. When we had uninteresting scripts, is it always because of the suit? (A suit that often was in such dark colors that it blended with background, sometimes?) No catsuit in season two, which I remember as the most disappointing season I'd ever seen.

That fourth season sputtered-- it seemed better, then ran out of steam. Not worse than before... it was just frustrating.

All season fours seem to be about fixing problems and starting over, except NG's transition was about assuming its problems were fixed, and that everything now worked, so they could relax. They had a transition without intending one, into chronic blandness. This set the tone for the entire rest of the series.

 

[JayTheTrekkie]

Again...Voyager, season 4

Only because it was the first season for Seven of Nine and many great episodes

 

[DostoyevskyClone]

Well - I'm a little late with this one but I'm going to go ahead and say it for what it's worth: I don't see how DS9 beat out TNG. The fourth season of DS9 for me was a relatively big disappointment - it had some excellent episodes ('The Vistor' etc.) but there were *a lot* of mediocre episodes in there which I'm wondering if people even remember.

The problem with "this episode is so good that it doesn't matter how bad the other episodes are" line-of-reasoning is that, mathematically, it just doesn't make sense. If an episode is "perfect," then it gets 10/10, but that doesn't make up for 8+ episodes which are 7/10. When I get back home, I'll try and post which episodes I'm talking about.

Bottom line: the disparity for me between the fourth seasons of TNG and DS9 is (relatively) huge. DS9's fourth season was, for Trek, very mediocre in my mind while TNG's fourth season was one of the highest ranking, not only in TNG, but in comparison to DS9 as well.

 

[Russell Croutear]

DS9, ENT, TNG, VGR (All the series fourth seasons were good/excellent)

 

[Niemz]

TNG!

 

[MyCylon]

DostoyevskyClone said:
Well - I'm a little late with this one but I'm going to go ahead and say it for what it's worth: I don't see how DS9 beat out TNG. The fourth season of DS9 for me was a relatively big disappointment - it had some excellent episodes ('The Vistor' etc.) but there were *a lot* of mediocre episodes in there which I'm wondering if people even remember.

The problem with "this episode is so good that it doesn't matter how bad the other episodes are" line-of-reasoning is that, mathematically, it just doesn't make sense. If an episode is "perfect," then it gets 10/10, but that doesn't make up for 8+ episodes which are 7/10. When I get back home, I'll try and post which episodes I'm talking about.

Bottom line: the disparity for me between the fourth seasons of TNG and DS9 is (relatively) huge. DS9's fourth season was, for Trek, very mediocre in my mind while TNG's fourth season was one of the highest ranking, not only in TNG, but in comparison to DS9 as well.

For me, it's the exact opposite I often get the feeling that people tend to forget how many really bad and truly mediocre episodes TNG had in its run. S4 IMHO is no exception to that rule whatsoever.
DS9's season 4, however, IMHO not only boasts truly excellent episodes but also a lot of great and good episodes. There's not one episode in that season that I'd consider 'unwatchable', only maybe one or two that aren't that good. I recently rewatched the whole season btw.