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Being Erica - Season 3

There's been other moments too. But it seems like the "changes" that get made are minor and really her "regrets" are petty bullshit had no effect on her life at all. Sort of similar to what Dr. Tom said to Erica in the first episode when Erica wonder if her changing the time line wouldn't cause World War III or something. Dr. Tom says, "Could be. Or it might be your alcohol consumption, while very important to you, has no effect on world events."

Also on this night rather than getting very drunk, Erica ends up saving one of her friends who apparently collapses from alcohol poisoning -something that likely wouldn't have happened originally if Erica was taking in her drinks too and she acts shocked by this. Back in the present when Erica meets up with that friend (while editing a book for her at the publishing company) the friend remarks that Erica saved her life that night. Again, implying the change did occur and had no real impact on Erica's life.

Along similar lines when Erica attempts to keep Josh and Sam broken up during the N.E. blackout and apparently succeeds, upon returning to the present she finds out Sam and Josh ended up back together anway.

Had Erica not pleaded to go back and do it again it's possible Dr. Tom would've left her in the "better" future where her brother lived until the "present" and her own life turned out better. In the same episode, upon going back again, Erica plants something for her family to find to have a better memory of the brother with.

Other small friendship changes and such we've seen stuck and, really, it seems all of her changes stick. Just none of them have as big of an impact on her present since the whole point of the "Therapy" -from what I've seen so far- is that she's caught up in small nonsense and not looking at the bigger picture. The therapy is also less about making her life better about fixing the past but learning from re-living the past that she's a better person.

Now. :exhale:

What's unclear to me is what happens after Erica leaves the past. From her friends' and family's point of view, it would seem, that Erica all of the sudden acts odd and out of character and even seems to make some odd comments referring that would seem to imply she's speaking in the past tense.

In the first episode her friends even note that she's acting odd, we see Erica while at the dance talking to a teacher as she's an adult -he sees her as a teenager- and she even goes on to tell him that she's older. Now what's unclear is what happens to all of this stuff when Erica leaves and the "real Erica" comes back alive in the "past." (Sort of similar question to what happens to the people Sam leaps into in QL. How do they reconcile the missing time, the changed events, etc. with who they really are and further how these events changed others. IIRC in one episode Sam stands up even though the person he's in is a double amputee. (Sam physically traveled and only took on the appearance-aura of the person he "was.") So the question is how whatever drove the time travel corrected this so history made sense.)

So when the "real Erica" returns to the past does she suddenly "know" what she did? Is she altered to think she had a quick personality change that made it happen? Are her friends confused on why last week at the dance Erica was suddenly against drinking and acting like a 30-year-old woman but now is acting like a teenager again? (In the first episode the bitchy brunette friend even points out Erica has been acting like a bitch.) Does that teacher somehow write off Erica's odd behavior and comments as just her being a drunk kid and decides not to have her put in therapy (real therapy) because she wacked-out for a night saying she was from the future and started acting like a woman twice her age? In the episode where Ty finally returns to his present we also see the "present Ty" suddenly not know who Erica is. Yet at the same time seems okay with whatever change took place (singing the other song rather than the harder song he was expected to sing) So how does Erica's interaction with Ty and the influences she had on Ty's past-change impact Ty if he now doesn't know her?

The show seems to want to establish that the changes do happen. But they're small changes that don't amount to much, unless it IS a "big change" used to teach a lesson (like the "Do-Over Day" episode or the episode where Erica was allowed to "win the lottery" (allow her stake in a business to split, giving her a windfall) or the person goes back and makes a big change, disregarding the "rules" (Erica going back to save Leo) The show finds a slight balance of having it both ways. The change "occurs" but nothing "big" happens. The change is petty BS designed to teach a lesson.

The real question, for me, as I said above, is how the time-travel events works out from the perspective of those around her and how it all "normalizes" so people don't think Erica goes psychotic on a purely random basis for a few days then goes back to normal, somehow, okay with what happened yet acting in contrast to what she just did.

"Oh? I broke up with my boyfriend, outed him as an amateur pornographer... Wait? How did I know about the camera? Eh. Whatever. So, then I slept with that creepy guy who stands around writing things who's like so lame? Eh. No big deal. I've no idea why I let him fuck me on a log but whatever. That is so weird! It's like that time at the dance and at Halloween when I was so against drinking but now I'm totally cool with it! And, like, I'd be soooo embarrassed if the whole school saw my young, hot, nubile naked body but that one time at the dance I was totally cool with it! Just like I was with my sister's boyfriend seeing me using an epilator on my kitty! I guess I just get wacked out sometimes. Hey... who are those men in the white coats?"
 
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I'v been wondering about that for the whole series: she often seems unaware of the new timeline when returning from a session.


Whenever Dr Tom sends her back, it's for her to see how changing something would change by making different decisions. She regrets something, she goes back and sees how changing something can affect her, sometimes the new decision being for the worse. Whenever she returns from a session, she returns back to her own time and nothing has changed, but she takes those lessons learned to help her forge her path ahead. There's no new timeline involved as nothing actually changes. The effect of being aware that we see, I see it sort of like a fish out of water, readjusting to her surroundings because it's done so abruptly.

I'm not trying to be a spoilsport, but I remember at least two incidents where there have been changes to the timeline.

1) Erica's first time - In the original timeline, the guy barely noticed Erica at their school reunion. Erica went back in time to fix a regret and ended up making love with that guy. Fast forward to the altered timeline, the guy remembers Erica.

2) Cassidy - In the original timeline, Erica and Cassidy never spoke again after their University days. In the altered timeline, Cassidy continues to keep in touch with Erica.


Alright, so it happened a few times. There are probably more of them, but I've always felt that the heart of the show was about a woman who gets sent back in time to relive her past and see how different decisions could affect her, good or bad. And then making the most of it when back in the regular timeline. In certain cases, we've seen her work toward a goal that she first learned could be possible in some of her travelling. Take Adam's problem, for instance. He goes back and sees that he doesn't have to stay with the mob, that he could make a better living for himself by applying himself with a landscaping business. And last we saw of Adam, before the Gay Pride episode, was him working towards that goal, so I see things working in parallel.

What's not so clear however are the things that happen when they return to their own time since they seem to be inconsistent. I wonder if the writers have some kind of internal rules regarding that.

Those are some interesting thoughts, Trekker. I think you've written a novel! :D Ultimately though, I think there's much philosophizing in the show, and it shows in our different viewpoints.
 
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I agree, the show is mostly focused on "The Now" and that history is the stage for learning from our past mistakes (or non-mistakes in some cases).

As for the consistency of time-travel in the show, I think the the writers have done reasonably well thus far. There may well be a few boo boos when we finally learn the show's rules for how time travel works, but so far there hasn't been much that can't be explained away.

To the people who expect major changes to the timeline as a result of Erica's time travel, all I can say is this:

Truth be told, out of my entire life I can only remember of a handful of times when doing things differently would have resulted in major changes in the rest of my life. The rest of it would not have resulted in any significant changes to the world. The same can be said about Erica's world.

Erica screwed with a guy on a log. 15 years later, he remembers Erica at the school reunion. Its not world changing, but it IS a change to the timeline. Being caught playing with herself by her sister's bf, running into the prom buck naked is still embarrassing for Erica even to this day. No changes to the timeline there. The only difference is internal - Erica realized despite her embarrassment she did what was necessary to save a friend's life, to hell with what others think of her hot young nubile body.

Personally, I think we (sci-fi fans) who have grown up with time travel stories such as Back To The Future and Star Trek have been schooled into believing that every point in time is pivotal and even a minor change would result in major alterations to the timeline. So when Being Erica comes along and throws a curve ball where changing one moment in an ordinary woman's life only results in nothing but minor changes, we think it is abnormal. :lol:
 
Yeah, I'm of the belief that things don't change unless Erica changes things herself in the present. Then again, we got a do-over episode this season where whatever she did wasn't going to stick, so I don't know. But that was also her moving forward into the now rather than going back, not to mention the Groundhog Day episode. Looking back now, like you said, this has become quite an amazing season when we weren't so sure about it earlier. I think there's been a lot less group therapy than we thought there'd be.

Describing the changes as being internal is a very good way to put it. She's aware that she goes back in time, and she learns what she can do to better herself, and she's aware of when she gets back to the present, and with that awareness, she can choose to apply what she's learned in moving forward. Doesn't necessarily mean they have to be big changes or even affect anyone else, and while sometimes they do, I think it's consequential. All these things can be psychological, and that's why I feel the show is pretty deep and has good writing.
 
Erica screwed with a guy on a log. 15 years later, he remembers Erica at the school reunion. Its not world changing, but it IS a change to the timeline. Being caught playing with herself by her sister's bf, running into the prom buck naked is still embarrassing for Erica even to this day. No changes to the timeline there. The only difference is internal - Erica realized despite her embarrassment she did what was necessary to save a friend's life, to hell with what others think of her hot young nubile body.

Or her hot, young, 30-something body. :drool:
 
I really liked that episode. The stuff with Dr. Tom altering Erica's timeline was great, and then being confronted about it by his fellow therapists, and then later Erica herself, was excellent. I also liked the fact that although Erica went on one of the other group member's time-trip, it actually ended up being part of Erica's story in the episode. It was cool seeing Strombo's guest spot as well. I wonder how much that cost the production? :D

And if I can bring up the short red-haired Goblins co-owner again, I really noticed this week that his beard is so obviously fake. Probably necessary since he's concurrently filming two series at once, one where he plays a clean-shaven high school student, but still, the fakeness of the beard really stood out.

And what's with the BBC Worldwide logo at the end of the credits? Is this show based on a British series or something?
 
Haha yeah, his guest spot was pretty awesome. Added some authenticity.


You sure the co-owner's beard is fake? Sure looks real to me. Wouldn't take too long to grow a real one for filming.

As for the BBC Worldwide Logo, the show's apparently extremely popular in the UK, so much so that the UK wants their own version, which is in the works, titled "You Again". The Logo probably just means that they have distribution rights and maybe some input on the show in general.

Wikiepedia said:
The show has had such a positive reaction in the United Kingdom that there are plans for a remake set in Glasgow, Scotland. The main character is supposed to be an NHS worker, in replacement of a personal therapist. The series is to be produced by Big Talk Productions and titled You Again.
As for the creative team, the lead writer will be Nicole Taylor (Ashes to Ashes and Secret Diary of a Call Girl). Being Erica's creators—Jana Sinyor and Aaron Martin—will have their hands in You Again as consultants.[13]

http://www.tv.com/being-erica-moves-to-britain/story/22479.html
 
As for the BBC Worldwide Logo, the show's apparently extremely popular in the UK, so much so that the UK wants their own version, which is in the works, titled "You Again". The Logo probably just means that they have distribution rights and maybe some input on the show in general.

Wikiepedia said:
The show has had such a positive reaction in the United Kingdom that there are plans for a remake set in Glasgow, Scotland. The main character is supposed to be an NHS worker, in replacement of a personal therapist. The series is to be produced by Big Talk Productions and titled You Again.
As for the creative team, the lead writer will be Nicole Taylor (Ashes to Ashes and Secret Diary of a Call Girl). Being Erica's creators—Jana Sinyor and Aaron Martin—will have their hands in You Again as consultants.[13]

http://www.tv.com/being-erica-moves-to-britain/story/22479.html

NHS worker? :guffaw:

Given the NHS's bad rap, it makes You Again sound like a surefire formula for failure.
 
Yeah, not entirely sure how that would work, but then again I'm not sure of the workings of the NHS. But it brings a question to mind. Dr Tom was never the main character, which they're implying by saying the NHS worker would be a replacement of a personal therapist. Or maybe I'm just reading it wrong.
 
Based on the name "You Again" and the fact that the therapist is the lead, I would hazard to guess there won't be just a single "Erica". Perhaps each episode will have a guest star filling the patient's role? Something like House MD and its rotating patient of the week.
 
^ Yeah, last season's finale was December 8th, so with four eps left that would put it in the same vicinity this year.

You sure the co-owner's beard is fake? Sure looks real to me. Wouldn't take too long to grow a real one for filming.
I'm not a beard-grower myself, so I don't know how long it would take to grow one like that. Also, I'm not sure if there's any significant overlapping of productions with Being Erica and Todd and the Book of Pure Evil, the latter of which may have finished production by the time Being Erica got underway. Of course, in this day and age fake beards don't have to look fake. Who knows! :D
 
Depending on his genetic lineage it wouldn't be too hard for him to grow a decent beard in a couple of days after shaving it off.

I can go a week without shaving and I'd just look mildly scruffy with a dirty face. Some people after a week without shaving would look like House.

He seems to have some Scottish heritage in him which could suggest a degree or two of easy hirsuteness.
 
Yeah, exactly, it's highly dependent on how fast one can grow one. With that said, it looks real to me. Just because the two shows are airing the same time doesn't mean that they haven't been filming during different time frames. Depending on the person, they could have a full beard in a week or two, which is easy enough to believe if there's some downtime between both productions.
 
Wow, interesting episode tonight. Lots happened. She almost got a new job and got stranded on an island with Adam. Lost/Survivor homage? I wonder where that was filmed. Scenery was beautiful. And that neighbourhood where Adam was landscaping? Reminded me of where I grew up in North Bay with similar style houses. It actually looked a lot like North Bay, actually.
 
^ It might have been filmed around the Scarborough Bluffs area. It didn't quite look tropical, but they did a good job of making it look passable. And I think it was an homage to Survivor. The episode title was "The Tribe Has Spoken".

Anyway, yeah, it was a good episode. I guess the woman Adam met at the counter when he was buying his book wasn't his alternate reality wife. Now that they've introduced her in this reality, I think that she and Adam make a great couple and I was disappointed to see the episode pushing him and Erica together.
 
I may be over-imagining things but every time I see Dr Tom in this episode, I see doubt in his eyes. It feels like he is not sure about himself?
 
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