Poll Be honest, did you see the TV revival actually happening?

Discussion in 'Future of Trek' started by Red Panda, Oct 27, 2018.

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Did you see the TV revival happening?

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  1. Cutie McWhiskers

    Cutie McWhiskers Commodore Commodore

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    You're right. All the writers want to do is make their target audience, teenage burger flippers, think the show is cool and scribbling in f-bombs is what they think will bring in ratings in droves, because the trite cliche of "don't like anyone over 30" has been going on long before "The Monkees" first aired on television.
     
  2. Agony_Boothb

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    Enterprise and Nemesis killed my love for the franchise and I'd found other, better sci-fi to quench my thirst in the following 15 or so years. To be honest I didn't care if trek ever came back, especially if it was going to be the same drivel that killed the franchise in the first place.

    Then Discovery came along and now I'm looking forward to a new season of Trek in a few weeks.
     
  3. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

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    Gene Roddenberry admitted once that "Star Trek" had seemingly become "modern mythology", so the inevitable recasting and reimagining of the "Star Trek" premise could potentially go on forever, just as we have remade and retold the ancient legends, myths, nursery rhymes, fairy tales and folk tales.
     
  4. Serveaux

    Serveaux The Wind Premium Member

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    No. I continue to overestimate the entertainment industry.

    He was nothing if not modest.
     
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  5. johnnybear

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    I've never understood the hatred for Nemesis but Enterprise definitely dampened my interest! Why the producers keep setting their version before TOS still baffles me!!! I can only imagine that they are jealous of Gene Roddenberry's show and that they have to keep chpping at it!
    JB
     
  6. Serveaux

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    Because when non-fans look at Trek they don't gravitate toward the later versions.

    No one but trekkies know or care what happened to the Cardassians and Romulans.
     
  7. grendelsbayne

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    That's a weird data point to use as 'evidence' for a claim like this. No one but trekkies knows or cares what happened to the Klingons, either. Definitely not the Gorn, Tholians or other 'classic' TOS species.
     
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  8. johnnybear

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    I don't think non-fans care where the particular series is set or when either! I was asking why the producers keep setting their show before the TOS era! I mean it looks so out of place by selecting that time period rather than say a century after Voyager's time! You can change the look of the Klingons, Romulans and whoever else you like and just say it's a natural evolution of that species against a theory about different races on the same planet and updating their look because of audience tastes and the like! :vulcan:
    JB
     
  9. fireproof78

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    Yes, but non fans are more familiar with Kirk and Spock and the starship Enterprise than any other iteration of Trek. There is a draw to that period than later on.

    No matter what fans are going to complain. So, the studio works on drawing in non fans and expanding their market share through familiar touchstones of a franchise.
     
  10. grendelsbayne

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    Only if you use those things. ENT was no more related to TOS than TNG. And a 2260s show without Kirk and Spock et al wouldn't be either.
     
  11. johnnybear

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    At least TNG referenced TOS and even a hologram of the old bridge for Mr.Scott in Relics!
    JB
     
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  12. fireproof78

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    Perhaps, though that was a different time, with a lot more Trek going. Nowadays it is certainly possible to expand the Star Trek brand now that that recognition is known again. Personally, I think if you get the Star Trek name out there again and draw people in then such touchstones will not be necessary. But, I understand why TPTB keep setting around TOS and doing prequels.
     
  13. Therin of Andor

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    This is based on the law of diminishing returns. TNG kicked into huge ratings in first-run syndication. It set records for one-hour syndicated drama. DS9's audience was never close to TNG. VGR moving to UPN had even lower ratings. It lasted seven years only because it was UPN's top-rated one-hour drama and they had nothing to replace it.

    Going to a prequel with ENT was a great idea. VGR was getting a long way from the parent show. If it was TOS the diehards were missing, it was worth the gamble. The ratings for the premiere of ENT were impressive. Sadly, not enough people came back for Episode #2. But it was certainly a way to attempt a jump start.

    DSC seemed to me to be a way for the writers to do a story they found compelling without yet another leap into a future that may as well have been a different show altogether.

    Well, Romulans were popular TOS aliens. And being vulcanoids, they were intriguing as a contrast to Vulcans. esp. Saavik in ST II. There were Romulans in ST III, as well, until a last-minute switch to Klingons.
     
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  14. Infern0

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    I figured it would be back eventually but I expected a total reboot of TOS to be the form it would take, and several years after the JJ films.

    For it to be in the prime timeline, so many potential shows including a picard show?

    Never would have guessed that.

    Also NB* I hope we don't get 8 shows, keep it to 2-3 don't spread too thin.
     
  15. -Brett-

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    It's not actually on TV, as such. So technically a TV revival hasn't happened.

    When and if this so called revival produces something worth watching, I'll admit that streaming is close enough. Until then, STD is garbage, and these other projects haven't seen the light of day yet. As far as I'm concerned, the franchise is still as dead as it ever was.
     
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  16. Butters

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    It is on TV, every Friday.
     
  17. fireproof78

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    So, in order for it to be a revival it must be acceptable to all Trek fans? Even though we are getting multiple shows in a franchise?

    I do not understand fans most of the time.
     
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  18. rahullak

    rahullak Commodore Commodore

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    Fans are attached to their franchises of choice to a greater or lesser degree. The greater the attachment to one particular form of the franchise, the greater the criticism/hatred/disappointment when that form changes.

    At the end of the day, we get more Trek when the bottom line is maintained or improves. If Star Trek is unrecognizable in 20 years but still going strong, fans have to find a way to live with it.
     
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  19. starbuck

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    Still waiting for star trek show on tv :shrug:
     
  20. Kor

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    If Hawaii Five-Oh, Magnum P.I., Lost in Space, and The Twilight Zone can have contemporary TV revivals, then so can Trek.

    Kor
     
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