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BBC & Big Finish team-up for 'Time Lord Victorious' project

As it turns out, according to this Radio Times article, which goes into how the project was developed, there is more content to be announced.

Now that BF has finally got Eccleston, there's no way - NO WAY - they don't adapt the two novels and put him, McGann and Tennant together 'on screen.'

The DW Annual 2021 material, btw, is an article of 'The Dark Times Times' written by one Melody Malone (aka you-know-damn-well-Mrs-Who), briefly outlining the new characters we'll be seeing in the larger saga - the Kotturuh, the Eternals, the various Daleks, Brian the Ood. (She also reveals she visited Gallifrey before it went boom again and 'managed to conceal the Black Scrolls of Rassilon on my person.')
 
Now that BF has finally got Eccleston, there's no way - NO WAY - they don't adapt the two novels and put him, McGann and Tennant together 'on screen.'

That would be amazing! I wonder though if there might be some sorts of rights issue (just speculating, could very well be wrong). So far the only novel adaptations Big Finish has done have been Virgin New Adventures. They did adapt some 4th Doctor comics from the 70's. It seems like they have never adapted anything published directly by the BBC.
 
Now that BF has finally got Eccleston, there's no way - NO WAY - they don't adapt the two novels and put him, McGann and Tennant together 'on screen.'

This assumes that All Flesh Is Grass has the three Doctors "on page" together. It's entirely possible it's a "story with multiple Doctors" rather than a "multi-Doctor story," and the Doctors, in their separate plots, never meet, though what one does might affect his fellows. It could well be a story like Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens' Star Trek novel Federation, which has the original Enterprise and the D, and they end up in the same place at the same time, but the two crews never actually meet. (Very good book, by the way.)
 
This assumes that All Flesh Is Grass has the three Doctors "on page" together. It's entirely possible it's a "story with multiple Doctors" rather than a "multi-Doctor story," and the Doctors, in their separate plots, never meet, though what one does might affect his fellows. It could well be a story like Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens' Star Trek novel Federation, which has the original Enterprise and the D, and they end up in the same place at the same time, but the two crews never actually meet. (Very good book, by the way.)

True, but I'd be very surprised if it didn't. From how everything's been described so far, things seem to be pointing to an intervention on an off-the-deep-end Ten by Eight and Nine together.
 
True, but I'd be very surprised if it didn't. From how everything's been described so far, things seem to be pointing to an intervention on an off-the-deep-end Ten by Eight and Nine together.

This made me pause and think.

There's a lot of marketing effort being put into promoting a project that will, at most, reach an audience in the low five figures.

There's also the promise of more free unannounced content. Online short stories are interesting, and can even be quite good, but it's small potatoes.

What if the whole point of this is to lead into a grand finale, a BBC Radio 4 drama starting Tennant, Eccleston, and McGann? Free content that will reach a wider audience than a BBC Books novel or a Big Finish audio.
 
As is, I'm fairly lukewarm to the whole thing since I'm only interested in the audios.
I got to admit, I too am finding my attitude towards this whole thing rather meh. Not because any of it is uninteresting per se, I've just found since the pandemic, my interest in tie-in novels connected to any franchise is waning as I'm being drawn more to original novels. I say "since the pandemic" because spring 2020 had me in a rather unique situation in that I ended up with a lot less free time than I typically have and that has led me to being extra picky about how I entertain myself.

I wouldn't call this a write-off for me yet, and there is still a very good chance I'll be checking out the novels and the comics (audios are something I've never gottten into in general). But I find I just don't have as much enthusiasm over this as I would have as recently as a year ago.
 
I'm only interested in the audios too. These grand projects that tie in different types of media just don't work for me. Either only audio, or only comics or only novels but mixing them up isn't exciting. Same thing with the star wars project that will be built from various kinds of media.
 
But yes, a good majority of the aliens and even certain characters in Doctor Who are owned by the writers who created them, which is why you often see a special notation in the episode credits about this race or character created by whoever.

During the Wilderness Years, there would be semi-professional fanfilms released, which would include iconic characters & aliens because they made a separate deal with the original creators but didn't have any outright references to the Doctor or the TARDIS so as not to infringe on the BBC. They even sometimes got legit Doctor Who writers like Terrance Dicks to write them.

One of the more impressive examples is "Downtime," a 1995 sequel to "The Web of Fear." They brought back the Brigadier, Sarah Jane, Victoria, & Professor Travers, all played by their original actors along with supporting performances by John Leeson & Geoffrey Beevers as new characters. It was also the first appearance of Kate Stewart, long before she made her debut on the series proper in 2012, although she was played by a different (but similar looking) actress. And it was directed by Christopher Barry, who directed several Doctor Who episodes from 1963-1979.

There was also a fanfilm called "Shakedown," which featured the Sontarans. But although Robert Holmes' estate gave them permission to use the Sontarans, the design of the Sontarans is owned by the BBC. They had to redesign the Sontarans from scratch using only the stage descriptions used in Robert Holmes' original script for "The Time Warrior."

Or maybe I'm just irritated that Whittaker's Doctor has such bad representation in the tie-ins with just four novels, and both her comic runs in DWM and from Titan seem to be on hiatus. Then again representation of the current Doctor in tie-ins seems to be in decline since Tennant left, with Smith not getting as much as him, Capaldi not getting as much as Smith and now Whittaker getting less than Capaldi. I guess Moffat and Chibnall just aren't as into tie-ins as RTD was.

I mostly got the sense that RTD was very protective of the new series as being THE Doctor Who at the time, which was why all of the tie-ins around that era only ever featured the current Doctor, except for the Big Finish audios, which weren't even allowed to reference any elements from the new series. I suspect that Moffatt & Chibnall both have a more laissez faire attitude towards the whole thing.

It seemed like they kept the focus on the current Doctor during the first couple Matt Smith seasons. Even during Smith's later years, it seemed like the only non-Smith novels coming out were 50th anniversary reprints and a couple new books by Stephen Baxter & Alastair Reynolds, who are such high profile authors that they were probably given special dispensation to write for whichever Doctors they wanted. (Baxter wrote "The Wheel of Ice" with the 2nd Doctor, Jamie, & Zoe. Reynolds wrote "Harvest of Time" with the 3rd Doctor, Jo, UNIT, & the Master.) But those were the exceptions. It seemed to me that things didn't start falling apart until the Capaldi years, when the 9th, 10th, 11th, & 12th Doctors were all allowed to have their own ongoing comics series at the same time, along with various miniseries featuring other previous Doctors. During the Whitaker years, things seem to be mostly continuing as they were during the Capaldi years, although it looks like the ongoing previous Doctor comics have been largely discontinued.

Frankly, it seems like the only major change that Chibnall has made is that now all merchandise features the Whittaker logo. Before, it seemed that usually the current Doctor would have the current series logo but anything with the previous Doctors would use the old Pertwee/McGann logo. But now the Whittaker logo is on everything, which is weird!:wtf:

That would be amazing! I wonder though if there might be some sorts of rights issue (just speculating, could very well be wrong). So far the only novel adaptations Big Finish has done have been Virgin New Adventures. They did adapt some 4th Doctor comics from the 70's. It seems like they have never adapted anything published directly by the BBC.

Didn't they do an 8th Doctor audio with Fitz? He's a companion from the BBC books.

I definitely plan on getting the "Timelord Victorious" books, although it may take me a while to get to them because I'm in the midst of a 1200 page fantasy novel and I'm not a fast reader. I'm not big into comics though. And while I like the Big Finish audios, there are too many of them for me to keep up, so I usually don't bother.
 
The escape room, the first issue of the comic book, and the text piece from the 2021 annual are already available.

And the “final, missing piece” of TLV, the free content, has been announced: a CGI animated series featuring the Daleks. Five ten-minute episodes, available on YouTube. https://bbc.in/332pZNG
 
Didn't they do an 8th Doctor audio with Fitz? He's a companion from the BBC books.
I'd forgotten about that. It was "The Company of Friends." https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/The_Company_of_Friends_(audio_anthology)
It could very well be that they have the rights to the novels published by the BBC and are just choosing to adapt Virgin New Adventures because they're generally higher profile.

And the “final, missing piece” of TLV, the free content, has been announced: a CGI animated series featuring the Daleks. Five ten-minute episodes, available on YouTube. https://bbc.in/332pZNG
If the Daleks animated series is the "final missing piece" then what happened to the games? It seemed like they were implying that their additions to The Edge of Time weren't the only game-related thing they are planning.
 
It seemed like they kept the focus on the current Doctor during the first couple Matt Smith seasons. Even during Smith's later years, it seemed like the only non-Smith novels coming out were 50th anniversary reprints and a couple new books by Stephen Baxter & Alastair Reynolds, who are such high profile authors that they were probably given special dispensation to write for whichever Doctors they wanted. (Baxter wrote "The Wheel of Ice" with the 2nd Doctor, Jamie, & Zoe. Reynolds wrote "Harvest of Time" with the 3rd Doctor, Jo, UNIT, & the Master.) But those were the exceptions.
IIRC, that had more to do with the adult novel line, which started with Michael Moorcock's Coming of the Terraphiles in 2010 and seemed to be an annual thing, then they decided to reinvent the line for classic Doctors which eventually turned into the annual novelizations of Douglas Adams Fourth Doctor stories, and now seems to be a venue for Doctor Who actors to write novels, with Tom Baker's novelization of Scratchman out last year and Sophie Aldred's At Childhood's End this year.
Frankly, it seems like the only major change that Chibnall has made is that now all merchandise features the Whittaker logo. Before, it seemed that usually the current Doctor would have the current series logo but anything with the previous Doctors would use the old Pertwee/McGann logo. But now the Whittaker logo is on everything, which is weird!:wtf:
I know the Panini comic anthologies always stuck with the current Doctor's logo on the cover even if it was for a past Doctor, for example anthologies printed during 2005-2010 used the Eccleston/Tennant logo, even if they were featuring pre-Eccleston Doctors, then anything printed during 2010-2014 used the Smith logo, even the ones featuring pre-Smith Doctors, even the Tennant anthologies published in that timeframe. Likewise the anthologies published in 2014-2018 used the Capaldi logo (which was just the Smith logo but without the TARDIS-shaped DW) including pre-Capaldi Doctors, even the remaining Smith anthologies. And then finally in 2018, they switched to Whittaker's logo, even for pre-Whittaker Doctor anthologies, including Capaldi. The only real change is that hte classic era DVDs released now also used the Whittaker logo, prior to 2018 they were still using the Pertwee logo.
 
^Yeah, I kinda remembered that about the comics. Although, when they used the Smith/Capaldi logo, the chunky font at least kinda matched with the thicker font of the Pertwee/McGann logo, so it didn't stick out as much.

But I was mostly thinking about other merchandise like the action figures & board games. And then the Titans comics used the Pertwee/McGann logo, even for the then-current 12th Doctor comics.

I guess I just miss the Pertwee/McGann logo. After 20 years, I'd gotten used to it. :(

I'd forgotten about that. It was "The Company of Friends." https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/The_Company_of_Friends_(audio_anthology)
It could very well be that they have the rights to the novels published by the BBC and are just choosing to adapt Virgin New Adventures because they're generally higher profile.

I don't know that this actually matters to anyone at Big Finish, but I wonder if it's partly a canon issue. IIRC, the 8th Doctor adventures depicted in the BBC books and the 8th Doctor adventures depicted in Big Finish are kinda mutually exclusive. And while Big Finish tends to be viewed as the 2nd most authoritative source on canon, behind only the TV series, the BBC novels have never really enjoyed that kind of status. On the other hand, the Virgin novels focus more on the 7th Doctor, who is more of a blank slate as far as Big Finish is concerned. And I don't think that the Virgin novels ever did anything too drastic to the overall canon, whereas the BBC 8th Doctor novels featured the destruction of Gallifrey & the removal of one of the Doctor's hearts.

Didn't the BBC 8th Doctor novels actually decanonize themselves at the end? IIRC, there was something about the Council of Eight going back in time and erasing various companions of the Doctor, including Sam Jones, the first companion from the BBC 8th Doctor novels. And according to Sam's wikipedia entry:
The description of an unnamed character that appears in the short story "Repercussions" by Gary Russell (in the Big Finish-published anthology Short Trips: Repercussions) resembles Sam. This character is a passenger on board an airship travelling through the time vortex that is carrying various people whom the Doctor had placed there to stop them from being a danger to the Web of Time. If that was Sam, it may indicate that, as far as the Big Finish continuity is concerned, she was written out of history.

Also, there's a long-standing relationship between Big Finish & the Virgin novels. When Big Finish was just getting started, they couldn't get the Doctor Who license from the BBC. So they started by adapting the later Virgin New Adventures novels with Bernice Summerfield.
 
Both the Eighth Doctor novels and the Eighth Doctor audios have sequences intended to suggest that the different lines of Eighth Doctor spin-off media take place in separate timelines. In their early years, Big Finish were pretty committed to the idea that their continuity was separate from those of other lines; appearances of characters like Benny, Frobisher, and Iris Wildthyme were explicitly marked as “side steps.” I don’t think they’re as rigid about that kind of thing since Gary Russell left.

I feel like the decisions about which novel adaptations to do were more about casting or writing “hooks” than about publishers or continuity.
 
I think that was true when Gary Russell was running the ship, but that changed I think when GR left and Nicholas Briggs became exec. The Company of Friends exists so as for BF to say "look, McGann's Doctor did have adventures with all other companions!" and its a novel approach... but from what I read, the novel series is starkly unique in a way the audios and comics aren't from the show as it returned. I gather the book range never concluded things, but I can imagine only a history rewrite would be a satisfactory ending would suffice in order for it to sit with the audios.

Personally, I've started to accept the comics into the chronology, but selectively. So far, the Eighth Doctor comics seem perfectly capable to sit with the audios. continuity-wise, and that's fine.
 
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