BBC & Big Finish team-up for 'Time Lord Victorious' project

[Christopher]

James Goss, who is overseeing the storylining for the project, has said on Twitter that each medium will follow its own narrative strand, so people who only read the comics or listen to the audios will get a complete story, though of course crossing media will add to the experience.

That's the best way to do something like this. Make it work both for the people who experience one part and those who experience the whole.

The idea of including escape rooms in a multimedia franchise experience like this is a new one, though. That strikes me as weird, though maybe it just goes to show how popular escape rooms have gotten. Still, I have to wonder if they'll still be popular after the current crisis. Will people want to be reminded of being stuck in their homes desperate to get out? Or will they be so used to feeling safe at home that they won't want to escape? Right now it's the outside that seems like the place we need to escape from.

Ooh -- in-universe, imagine what a great escape room the actual TARDIS would make! The Doctor could rent it out at birthday parties. Although it might take a week for people to find their way out...

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

How has there never been a bottle episode with the Doctor lost in his own TARDIS, is beyond me. On the other hand, it does something about the richness of this franchise.

Beyond that, I am hoping the overall result will turn out better than BF's twentieth anniversary "Legacy of Time" box-set did. I liked the stories, but the connections between the stories were too loose, and most seemed like episodes from the given spin-off shows they'd done (Lies in Ruins is basically a Diary of River Song special, and Jenny's Relative Dimension would fit perfectly as the pilot episode to her own series). So, overall good, but not something they don't normally do these days.

 

[Christopher]

How has there never been a bottle episode with the Doctor lost in his own TARDIS, is beyond me.

There was, more or less: https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Journey_to_the_Centre_of_the_TARDIS_(TV_story)

There's also the novel version of The Edge of Destruction, which adds several chapters of exploration of the TARDIS's interior to flesh out the 2-part story to book length.

 

[Relayer1]

How has there never been a bottle episode with the Doctor lost in his own TARDIS, is beyond me. On the other hand, it does something about the richness of this franchise.

I had an idea a while ago about The Doctor landing the Tardis inside what turns out to be The Tardis (probably the Zeppelin hangar), and the problems he has extracting one from the other. Or vice versa.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

All seems somewhat reminiscent of "Shadows Of The Empire" in Star Wars.

I keep wondering when CBS will do something like Shadows of the Empire or Time Lord Victorious -- a big, multi-platform event -- for Star Trek, but I suppose a vocal faction of fandom screaming "Not canon! Not canon!" would blunt any potential benefit to doing one.

I had an idea a while ago about The Doctor landing the Tardis inside what turns out to be The Tardis (probably the Zeppelin hangar), and the problems he has extracting one from the other. Or vice versa.

The TARDIS has been inside itself a couple of times. I'm thinking especially of that one webshort with Eleven and the two Amys.

 

[Christopher]

Wasn't there one where the Doctor's and Master's TARDISes materialized inside each other, recursively? Maybe "Logopolis"?

 

[Relayer1]

I keep wondering when CBS will do something like Shadows of the Empire or Time Lord Victorious -- a big, multi-platform event -- for Star Trek, but I suppose a vocal faction of fandom screaming "Not canon! Not canon!" would blunt any potential benefit to doing one.

So have some part referenced in a show - like the Eight stuff in Day Of The Doctor !

 

[Marc]

The TARDIS has been inside itself a couple of times. I'm thinking especially of that one webshort with Eleven and the two Amys.

Been a while since I watched the story but didn't Logopolis also feature the TARDIS in the TARDIS?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Been a while since I watched the story but didn't Logopolis also feature the TARDIS in the TARDIS?

Wasn't that the Master's TARDIS inside the Doctor's TARDIS?

 

[Christopher]

Wasn't that the Master's TARDIS inside the Doctor's TARDIS?

And vice-versa, so technically both TARDISes were inside themselves, just in alternating recursions.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

And vice-versa, so technically both TARDISes were inside themselves, just in alternating recursions.

Initially, the Master's TARDIS was disguised as the "normal" police box the Doctor materialized around, so that was level one.

Them "popping out the back" is still pretty silly. You'd think there would be no end to it.

 

[Stevil2001]

Wasn't there one where the Doctor's and Master's TARDISes materialized inside each other, recursively? Maybe "Logopolis"?

Been a while since I watched the story but didn't Logopolis also feature the TARDIS in the TARDIS?

Wasn't that the Master's TARDIS inside the Doctor's TARDIS?

And vice-versa, so technically both TARDISes were inside themselves, just in alternating recursions.

Initially, the Master's TARDIS was disguised as the "normal" police box the Doctor materialized around, so that was level one.

Them "popping out the back" is still pretty silly. You'd think there would be no end to it.

In The Time Monster, each TARDIS is in the other's control room.

In Logopolis, the Doctor's TARDIS is around the Master's TARDIS, but that creates a dimensional anomaly where every time they try to go into the Master's TARDIS, they end up back in the Doctor's TARDIS (only the lights are dimmer and the sound effects deeper). They're never in the Master's TARDIS. Once they reach "the nucleus of the [gravity] bubble" created by the two TARDISes, they're ejected from both (out the back!).

 

[Christopher]

In The Time Monster, each TARDIS is in the other's control room.

Oh, okay, that's the one I was thinking of. Thanks.

 

[Brendan Moody]

Details of two novels that are part of Time Lord Victorious have been announced. The Knight, the Fool, and the Dead is by Steve Cole, while All Flesh is Grass is by Una McCormack. Looks like the basic premise is that the Tenth Doctor, in Time Lord Victorious mode, goes back to the Dark Times to end death by destroying a race of aliens that introduced mortality to the universe. Only the Tenth Doctor appears on the cover for The Knight, The Fool, and the Dead, but all three Doctors are on the cover for All Flesh is Grass (along with some Daleks), and it’s mentioned in the blurb that the Tenth Doctor “must confront his former selves.”

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Conceptually, I like that. I'm curious about the placement for the ninth Doctor. A pre-"Rose" Doctor, dealing with the psychological aftermath of "using" the Moment, who may have vague impressions that a future incarnation or two were with him at the end, could be really interesting, not to mention the sort of thing Una McCormack would write.

This makes me wish there were more of a novel line. We were really spoiled for Doctor Who fiction through the Wilderness years, the RTD era, and the first two years of Moffat. I thought post-Moffat things would improve on the BBC Books front, but alas not.

 

[Samurai8472]

That could make an interesting story told from the 9th doctor perspective. Make him have serious doubt that the tenth doctor is actually a future incarnation

Maybe even suspect him of being the Master

 

[JD]

Yeah, that does sound pretty good.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Idle thought while walking outside today.

The TLV logo has the Crack running across it. Perhaps the story relates back to Prisoner Zero from "The Eleventh Hour." I believe that's still a dangling plot mystery.

 

[Nightowl1701]

Why am I getting the vibe that this is not quite 'our' Ten(-A) here? Like somebody monkeyed with the ending of "The Waters of Mars" and made him go completely off-the-rails psycho?

 

[Christopher]

Why am I getting the vibe that this is not quite 'our' Ten(-A) here? Like somebody monkeyed with the ending of "The Waters of Mars" and made him go completely off-the-rails psycho?

Or maybe it's in the gap between "Waters" and "The End of Time." Maybe when the Doctor said he "traveled about, did this and that, got into trouble" before answering the Ood's summons, he means it was this trouble, and he's downplaying how bad it got.