Except for Adam West. I also don't know who the female baddie is. Is she suppose to be Harley Quinn?
Jason
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Except for Adam West. I also don't know who the female baddie is. Is she suppose to be Harley Quinn?
Jason
Not always. In the comics, they started out as allies, but . . . well, they've had some pretty serious conflicts over the years.
The West show is from a time when Batman was defanged and a fully sworn deputy.
Pretty sure she's called "Alice". Something that most articles have mentioned.
Nope, she's not Harley. Different character: a deranged, "Alice in Wonderland" themed villainess who is one of Batwoman's recurring nemeses.
Note the whole "Curiouser and curiouser" bit in the trailer.
Alice is essentially Kate's "Joker", but with a much deeper and personal connection to her that I won't spoil.
She is a "full" lesbian. Where'd you get the idea she was bi?
I didn’t say that. The person who I was replying to said that she was.
The actress is bi. The character is gay.
Perhaps that's the source of the confusion? As in which "she" we're talking about?
Ruby is not Bi; she came out as a lesbian as a child and currently identifies herself as being genderfluid.
I stand corrected. Somebody referred to her as bi earlier in the thread and I simply wanted to distinguish between the actress and the character, since that distinction seemed to be in danger of being lost.
Ah. Thanks for clarifying.
This thread is growing really fast, it's a bit hard to keep all the discussions seperate.
People today buy into this myth that early Batman was dark and violent until the Comics Code "defanged" him in the '50s, but that's a gross distortion. The early stories have been reprinted over the past few years in new trade collections called Batman: The Golden Age, so it's easy enough to get the facts: namely, that the "dark and violent" stage lasted only a year or so before Robin came along and Batman started to become more of a fun, wholesome adventurer and father figure. He swore off guns in 1940, and by 1942 or so he was an officially sanctioned partner of the police (at a time when Superman was still a vigilante outlaw). By 1943, the comics had settled into a groove that was much like the Adam West sitcom, except for Batman and Robin having much more of a sense of humor than the stiff TV versions, constantly trading puns and quips as they beat up bad guys. And they continued in that vein for the next quarter-century, except getting even goofier in the late '50s and early '60s. In the '70s, Batman comics started to get more serious and grounded again, but he didn't become the dark and gritty antihero he's perceived as today until Frank Miller revamped him in 1986.
I guess I should have used dates.
So much misinformation.
As a general media character, Batman was still allowed to be violent--deadly on many occasions, as National Periodical had no problems with just how lethal the 1943 Columbia serial version was to the Japanese cronies of villain Dr, Daka. The serial was very successful, and DC did not shy away from advertising it in their comics of the period.
The 1966 Batman series was not a sitcom, and 20th Century Fox never described it as such when various production staff were interviewed as the series made its debut. More to the point, series creator William Dozier never referred to the series as a sitcom in any of the UCLA or University of Wyoming's American Heritage Center / Performing Arts Collections of his personal and Greenway papers.
As a general media character, Batman was still allowed to be violent--deadly on many occasions, as National Periodical had no problems with just how lethal the 1943 Columbia serial version was to the Japanese cronies of villain Dr, Daka. The serial was very successful, and DC did not shy away from advertising it in their comics of the period.
The 1966 Batman series was not a sitcom, and 20th Century Fox never described it as such when various production staff were interviewed as the series made its debut. More to the point, series creator William Dozier never referred to the series as a sitcom in any of the UCLA or University of Wyoming's American Heritage Center / Performing Arts Collections of his personal and Greenway papers.
The point is, " from a time when Batman was defanged" is a mischaracterization, because it implies it was an exception to the norm. Only a handful of early prototype stories show Batman as a character with "fangs." By the time the character and series took recognizable form in the early '40s, he was basically the same wholesome figure he was for the following 40-plus years, the majority of the character's existence.
I guess I should have used dates.
Gender fluid? That just sounds messy, whatever that is.
^The dates are not the issue. I'm not going to explain it a third time.
Gender fluid? That just sounds messy, whatever that is.
The definition of genderfluid (or genderqueer):
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderqueer
I was reading Batman comics before you were born. I'm quite familiar with the character's history and evolution and never needed an explanation.