Battlestar Galactica getting rebooted (again) for NBS's streaming service

[CorporalCaptain]

The only question I have is, what happened to Adama's Raptor? Were there other planes that weren't flown into the sun? It wasn't onscreen, I don't think, but the NatGeo in the RDM shot mentioned them finding it.

No it doesn't. ...And I doubt the finding of an ancient spaceship would only rate a mention in an article about mitochondrial Eve.

The cover story on the faux National Geographic is about finding the Raptor, with the headline "Celestial Chariot?" over a picture of the buried spacecraft. It's mention of Mitochondrial Eve that's consigned to the bottom of the cover, which includes the parenthetical remark "as if we care after finding a flippin spaceship".

Unless the winky means your post originated in Oppositesville, in which case: Never mind and carry on!

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edit --- Oh, it's a fan made fake? Never mind, then!

 

[DigificWriter]

Sure, but aside from those who are really into the show, who's going to know that?

I'd wager that most practicing LDS Church members would have recognized that Larsen used heavy church theology in BSG.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Sure, but how many of those are BSG fans?

 

[JD]

The main Galactica story has been told. Other than the 1st Cylon war, I'm not seeing what else is left within that continuity other than the possibility of more obscure stuff like Caprica. What else has been tossed around in this thread? A Lords of Kobal series? Audiences are supposed to know what that is and be interested in it?

Their comments at this point have been so vague, it's hard to guess how it's even related to the RDM series, so it could be literally anything at this point.

Did it have spaceships flown by people being chased to extinction by Cylons (ie, what people remember from the original BSG)?

You didn't specify that, all you said was Cylons and spaceships.

Caprica got canceled after just one season, hot off the success of the rebooted BSG. Clearly I'm not the only BSG fan who didn't tune in because I didn't see potential for what they were doing.

Which is a shame because it was a great show, I thought it was at least as good, and better at times, than BSG.

They probably won't have the original actors, since anybody they could get will be ten years older. That will make their options more constricting the closer they try to get to BSG actual.

Hard to say since we don't know exactly what the relationship to the RDM show is.

I stand corrected. The first link I followed to news of this series was from the See-Fee Channel site. I don't know why I thought they were involved in it. I don't see the difference though if it's NBC thinking they can make a third attempted spin-off after ten years.

Actually there is a difference, because I'm pretty sure Peacock is going to be run by different people than the ones who ran Syfy/Sci-Fi over a decade ago. I doubt any of the same people are going to be involved this time.

Go check out RedLetterMedia's Re:View commentaries on STD, specifically the one for Season 2. It highlights just how little most of the plot developments from one episode to the next make any sense. I feel like I would need to have early stage Alzheimer's in order to pretend that I was actually watching a somewhat cohesive story.

That is completely untrue. Did you possibly miss a few episodes?

CBS hasn't pulled the plug because they're trying to launch a Trek franchise as the primary vehicle for their streaming service. And I said at the end of Season One they should be focusing their attention on fixing that show instead of launching five new ones. But now I suspect STD is just being kept alive for a third season as placeholder.

They're not going to spend the time and money on a show that's not successful, and they're not going to bother doing books, comics, and mobile game tie-ins for a show no one is watching.

Think about what would happen about a Trek show permanently set in the almost-comical Mirror Universe. The short bits we’ve seen in DS9, Enteprise and Disco were nearly too much. It was a good foil to use as a source of tension with the Galactica crew, but I don’t think I would want a whole show about that.

The novels actually did a series almost entirely in Mirror Universe back a few years ago, and it was one of their best series ever. But they took it a lot more seriously and went a lot deeper than any of the TV series visits did.

OMG! The whole S2 plot was a snake that eats its own tail until it swallows its stomach! It is unfathomable to me that anyone can watch this thing at all and not see that (or refuse to see it).

The Enterprise was crippled while investigating the red pulses. How and why? Did Michael Burnham cripple it when she retroactively sent those pulses in the last episode? If so, why?

How did Culber come back? WHAT came back? What was he doing in the mycelial network? He was there because Stamuts conjured him up. He's a MEMORY.

(What if you could imagine your mother back into existence? What would she be? She'd be just the minuscule aspects of her former personality that you actually thought you understood. She'd be able to behave only like you expected. You didn't really know her at all. I think I just came up with a really creepy Twilight Zone premise.)

But this of course makes no sense, so let's just move on (which they did!).

Why did Section 31 frame Spock for murder? What purpose would that serve? They already had him. Or they'd already lost him. Did Section 31 kill the people to cover up having framed Spock for murdering them? Or the AI framed him because the dead people were holograms? What would the AI gain by framing him? Don't know? Just move on?

When did this show suddenly become about the evil AI (as fans everywhere suddenly predicted it would in zombie-like fashion because they were lapping it up)? When Discovery's shuttlecraft encountered it in the timewarp? Was it a Red Angel timewarp? Or some other completely random timewarp? Or wait, it's Section 31's AI? But it's also from the future?

(What was Discovery even doing in the area? Investigating another red pulse? Could Burnham have avoided the AI ever becoming a threat by just not sending out those pulses in the last episode? There's the snake. I just unraveled the whole season for you, you're welcome.)

They killed the AI by demagnetizing it, or magnetizing it, or something? Great, why did Discovery still have to strand itself in the future? Oh right, that's the most obvious question and you're tired of stupid people asking it.

How many shuttlecraft actually fit inside these ships? In all the time it takes to render them, shouldn't somebody have said "Wait, this is too many?"

And just like that, all of Saru's people can fly around in space fighters (with actual combat skill) because they've discovered technology?

Tyler's son lives in an accelerated state on the Klingon monastery planet. How does that work? Does he age faster? Or does time simply flow faster? Let's go with the latter, since I think he'd be a babbling infant in a metabolically starved adult body if he simply aged faster. Is he dead by now? What, there's this nexus of rapidly-flowing time on the Klingon monastery planet just because of the presence of the time crystals? What kind of science fantasy is this?

Klingons grow really long hair in just a couple of days? Discovery's literally been to the asteroid and to New Eden before they came back to Qo'nos. But I guess it doesn't matter, the show fixed what was "really" wrong with itself according to the fans, and even hand-waved it within the show's dialog because fans would expect no less.

Did you actually pay attention to the show? I remember almost all of that being addressed or making perfect sense, if you actually payed attention the show. Is English not your first language? I think a lot of that stuff was explained in dialogue, so if you have trouble following a lot of English, I can see where it could have been hard to follow.

 

[DigificWriter]

If this new show is connected to the RDM/Eick series, the best narrative option is to redo the basic story using the modern-day epilogue of the RDM/Eick series as a springboard and focusing on new characters with the property's familiar names (Adama, Tigh, etc.)

 

[gblews]

Go check out RedLetterMedia's Re:View commentaries on STD, specifically the one for Season 2. It highlights just how little most of the plot developments from one episode to the next make any sense. I feel like I would need to have early stage Alzheimer's in order to pretend that I was actually watching a somewhat cohesive story.

RedLetterMedia commentaries don't make your opinion or their's any less a simple opinion and nothing more.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Galactica leads the Cylons to Mars, and Mars Attacks the Cylons.

Galactica finds the runaway Moon from Space 1999.

Zelda teams up with the Cylons, against the Galactica and the Terror Hawks.

The deceptions and the Cylons back stab each other so quickly, frequently and often, that they never get around to teaming up against Optimus Prime and Adama.

Colonial Marines vs. Colonial Warriors. Its a question of illegal immigration. EARTH will deal with the Cylons next.

 

[137th Gebirg]

 

[David cgc]

The cover story on the faux National Geographic is about finding the Raptor, with the headline "Celestial Chariot?" over a picture of the buried spacecraft. It's mention of Mitochondrial Eve that's consigned to the bottom of the cover, which includes the parenthetical remark "as if we care after finding a flippin spaceship".

Unless the winky means your post originated in Oppositesville, in which case: Never mind and carry on!

Nope, that cover with the Raptor is still a joke a fan made, and the screen-used National Geographic is still the one I linked to with the fossilized skull and the headline "Mankind, Meet Your Mother." There is no indication that any of the Raptors survived in any recognizable form, even though the shot of them being scuttled was deleted (likely as not just in case they decided they wanted to make a post-finale story set on Earth and needed to facilitate transport between the settlements around the planet).

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Nope, that cover with the Raptor is still a joke a fan made, and the screen-used National Geographic is still the one I linked to with the fossilized skull and the headline "Mankind, Meet Your Mother." There is no indication that any of the Raptors survived in any recognizable form, even though the shot of them being scuttled was deleted (likely as not just in case they decided they wanted to make a post-finale story set on Earth and needed to facilitate transport between the settlements around the planet).

Oh, well, then, my bad....

@Tosk

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Yeah, the faux NatGeo magazine cover story from Daybreak" was about Hera being "mitochondrial Eve".

 

[Bad Robot]

You didn't specify that, all you said was Cylons and spaceships.

The meaning was implicitly clear in the context of my post (and I re-checked it to verify). What is the original series remembered for? Do you assume I am somehow "unaware" of what the canceled spinoff was?

Which is a shame because it was a great show, I thought it was at least as good, and better at times, than BSG.

What I've mostly heard is the season produced could have better worked at 10-13 episodes, if you trimmed the fat properly. I'll probably watch it whenever I've re-watched BSG, based on some positive remarks in this thread.

Actually there is a difference, because I'm pretty sure Peacock is going to be run by different people than the ones who ran Syfy/Sci-Fi over a decade ago. I doubt any of the same people are going to be involved this time.

I don't see that it makes any real difference. It's already a given the network would be largely different people. It doesn't change that they're dusting off one of the greatest hits in their catalog and assuming they can make another spinoff from it ten year later as if it wasn't already tried the year after.

If they were rebooting the traditional premise of the show into a contemporary remake unrelated to Moore's version I'd be more intrigued.

I'm not replying to the STD stuff, since I can't tell from the formatting whether that was you or copied over from somebody's since-retracted post. And because no effort was made to address any of my points prior to casually dismissing my attentiveness to the show.

 

[Bad Robot]

RedLetterMedia commentaries don't make your opinion or their's any less a simple opinion and nothing more.

Then check out Feminist Frequency's reaction to the S2 finale instead. I'm NOT directing anybody to Midnight's Edge or Nerdrotic, those bozos are conspiracy theorist morons.

The sheer volume of issues with STD (and particularly Season 2 more than Season 1) goes too far beyond being a matter of opinion as to whether Nitpick C or D constitutes a plot hole or whether said hole is really objectionable. I've already addressed just SOME of S2's issues at length. And so far all I'm seeing is this stubborn flat-out refusal to know (or more likely acknowledge) what criticisms have been made. I think if anyone pointed me to a gushingly positive (post-finale, mind you) review of the material I'd at least be genuinely curious by the outrageousness of it.

 

[EnderAKH]

The sheer volume of issues with STD (and particularly Season 2 more than Season 1) goes too far beyond being a matter of opinion as to whether Nitpick C or D constitutes a plot hole or whether said hole is really objectionable. I've already addressed just SOME of S2's issues at length. And so far all I'm seeing is this stubborn flat-out refusal to know (or more likely acknowledge) what criticisms have been made.

With respect, it is not that those of us who enjoy Discovery do not recognize that it has flaws, it is that:

• There are other aspects to the show that we enjoy which allow us to overlook the flaws we do find.
• Other shows, very much including other flavors of Star Trek, have similar flaws (Spock seeing the destruction of Vulcan from the surface of Delta Vega, as an example) that we overlook so we merely apply the same standard to Discovery. ALL shows have flaws, be it in plot or characterization, or continuity.

So I would respectfully ask that you do not characterize people who enjoy a show that you do not as at best willfully ignorant ("And so far all I'm seeing is this stubborn flat-out refusal to know (or more likely acknowledge) what criticisms have been made") or at worst stupid. We merely enjoy a show that you do not. It happens. I do not enjoy the Orville, or to keep it away from Sci-Fi to abstract it a bit, I did not like Mad Men. I don't think people who do have some character defect, they are just looking for something different in a show than I am. So I would again respectfully ask that you dial back your rhetoric, and perhaps understand that what we want out of a show is just not what you want out of a show.

And now back to arguing about a similarly divisive show, BSG. I appreciate everyone's allowing me this brief digression.

 

[Bad Robot]

With respect, it is not that those of us who enjoy Discovery do not recognize that it has flaws, it is that:

• There are other aspects to the show that we enjoy which allow us to overlook the flaws we do find.
• Other shows, very much including other flavors of Star Trek, have similar flaws (Spock seeing the destruction of Vulcan from the surface of Delta Vega, as an example) that we overlook so we merely apply the same standard to Discovery. ALL shows have flaws, be it in plot or characterization, or continuity.

So I would respectfully ask that you do not characterize people who enjoy a show that you do not as at best willfully ignorant ("And so far all I'm seeing is this stubborn flat-out refusal to know (or more likely acknowledge) what criticisms have been made") or at worst stupid. We merely enjoy a show that you do not. It happens. I do not enjoy the Orville, or to keep it away from Sci-Fi to abstract it a bit, I did not like Mad Men. I don't think people who do have some character defect, they are just looking for something different in a show than I am. So I would again respectfully ask that you dial back your rhetoric, and perhaps understand that what we want out of a show is just not what you want out of a show.

And now back to arguing about a similarly divisive show, BSG. I appreciate everyone's allowing me this brief digression.

I'm sorry if I've come across that way.

I don't hold anything against people enjoying the show, I think I even still enjoyed parts of it myself after the second season began unraveling (The Feminist Frequency people I mentioned seemed to still enjoy it also). I can't say I'm eagerly looking forward to 3rd season, although I assume I'll still be watching it after I'm re-subscribed for STP. I want CBS Trek overall to succeed. Whether that can realistically include STD at this point is a question and a concern that I've mostly detached myself from. I do predict this will be the final season, even if it's a good one. My biggest regret with STD is the firing of Fuller, which I think stripped the show of its identity. My biggest frustration is seeing him vilified by fans because they didn't like his Klingons. And like a lot of people I would love to know more about what happened with Meyer on the show. My biggest hope for CBS Trek's other shows is that they do not copy STD's dynamic of having twenty-one regular producers and of listening too closely to their fans.

(And respectfully, I can't agree about Spock's view of Delta Vega being anywhere on par with whatever's been happening in the writer's room on STD. I've never understood why that keeps coming up. I would liken it more to Cochrane's Phoenix zipping past thousands of doppler-spaghettified stars on its way to a position not far outside of lunar orbit.)

 

[JD]

The meaning was implicitly clear in the context of my post (and I re-checked it to verify). What is the original series remembered for?

Maybe it was clear to you, but all I saw was "Cylons and spaceships", nothing specific about what those Cylons and spaceships were doing.

Do you assume I am somehow "unaware" of what the canceled spinoff was?

I don't think I've ever seen you address Battlestar Galactica or Caprica, so I did not know what you did or didn't know about the show.

What I've mostly heard is the season produced could have better worked at 10-13 episodes, if you trimmed the fat properly. I'll probably watch it whenever I've re-watched BSG, based on some positive remarks in this thread.

I think that it probably true of a lot of longer shows.

I don't see that it makes any real difference. It's already a given the network would be largely different people. It doesn't change that they're dusting off one of the greatest hits in their catalog and assuming they can make another spinoff from it ten year later as if it wasn't already tried the year after.

If they were rebooting the traditional premise of the show into a contemporary remake unrelated to Moore's version I'd be more intrigued.

Like I said before, it's still very early to be jumping to assumptions about what the show is, or how interesting it will be.

I'm not replying to the STD stuff, since I can't tell from the formatting whether that was you or copied over from somebody's since-retracted post.[ /QUOTE]Sorry about the formatting, I ended up with a quote inside of a quote

And because no effort was made to address any of my points prior to casually dismissing my attentiveness to the show.

I haven't watched either season of Discovery since they first came out, so I don't remember the second season clearly enough to go through all of your issues. All I remember is that I was very happy with how all of the questions were answered and the issues were resolves, and a lot of those were the things you brought up.
As for the second part of my post, it might have come across a bit more sarcastic than I intended, but they were honest questions. I know a lot of people will often do other stuff while they watch TV shows, and I just thought that maybe you did that and so missed parts of the episodes. The same goes for how well you understand English, it was an honest question. Even if you are technically fluent in a language, if you are a new speaker it can still be hard to follow at times. I don't know you, so I don't know your history or if you've been speaking English you're whole life.

The sheer volume of issues with STD (and particularly Season 2 more than Season 1) goes too far beyond being a matter of opinion as to whether Nitpick C or D constitutes a plot hole or whether said hole is really objectionable. I've already addressed just SOME of S2's issues at length. And so far all I'm seeing is this stubborn flat-out refusal to know (or more likely acknowledge) what criticisms have been made. I think if anyone pointed me to a gushingly positive (post-finale, mind you) review of the material I'd at least be genuinely curious by the outrageousness of it.

I think we're just going to have to disagree on the seriousness of the issue with Discovery. No, it's not perfect, but very, very, very few, if any, shows are. I just don't remember any of the issues I had with it being anywhere near as bad as yours.

 

[Gavin70]

Don't nearly all major religions and mythologies mention a great flood in ancient times? I've often wondered if that could be a reference glaciers melting after the Ice Age?

It was more likely a flood in the Nile region <--- As that's the area where the oldest myths/stories about "A Great Flood" have been found/traced to.

Even the Australian Aboriginal people have a flood myth. It seems to be a common theme. Probably largely due to settlements being along rivers that flooded regularly and stories building up over time. There's also the possibility that see level rises from the last Glacial Minimum (around 20,000 years ago) where oceans rose by around 130 metres, contributed to those stories.

 

[137th Gebirg]

There are floods, and then there's THE Flood. Something big happened in ancient times that affected inland peoples globally in a way like none other, not just coastal inhabitants. The Gilgamesh Epic is one of the oldest accounts from ancient Sumeria. There are many ancient flood myths from all over the world about a single monumental cataclysm. This wasn't about some simple rainy season gully-washer or monsoon.

 

[Boomstick]

There's one simple change that could make another reboot worthwhile and potentially the best incarnation of them all:

BattleCar Galactica.

Vroom vroom.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

There's one simple change that could make another reboot worthwhile and potentially the best incarnation of them all:

BattleCar Galactica.

Vroom vroom.

Been done.


Twice.


No, thrice.