Wasn't picking on Snyder--just pointing out standard operating procedure for filmmakers. I like MoS and BvS quite a bit.
Batman with Ben Affleck-- Rumors, pic, etc;
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Okay, but I think my post addresses a misunderstanding that seem pretty widespread.
You can't assume that from the writing credits. They often bear little resemblance to reality. For instance, Graham Yost is the sole credited writer for Speed even though virtually every line of dialogue in that film was written by Joss Whedon. Scripts routinely pass through multiple hands that don't get credited.
And yes, writers are charged with putting the words on the page, but as I said, their job is seen as following the director's instructions, putting the director's vision into written form. They're the drafters who draw up the detailed plans for the thing the director conceives of, and the director approves or rejects every scene or line they write. Maybe you've seen online articles or art books that post concept art of the various proposed designs for a creature or a set or a vehicle in a movie, all the suggestions that were put out there for the director to choose between, with the director's preferences determining which version got selected. It's the same with writing. The writers aren't following their own inspiration exclusively as a novelist would; they're trying to come up with scenes that fit what the director wants, and if a scene doesn't earn the director's approval, they'll do more drafts and change it over and over until it's the way the director (or the producer) wants it to be.
See my comments about the shape of the production team.
Which contradict's Christopher's point... not at all. The very first episode of Smallville referenced a missing CEO of Queen Industries in exactly the same kind of blink-and-you-miss-it fashion, but those showrunners obviously weren't planning on actually introducing that family until they'd well and good established an identity of their own. Also, Gotham was mentioned by name in Superman Returns, which was one more mention that MoS gave it, despite the fact that in the Snyderverse it's just across the bay.
(And I still want to know why the Wayne building was in downtown Metropolis, when Gotham clearly had a downtown of its own. You'd think a stupid-rich CEO would want to keep his family company in his own damn hometown!)
Mightn't there also be a Wayne building in Gotham?
The building in downtown Metropolis was Wayne Financial, obviously only a subsidiary of Wayne Enterprises (the comics have established other subsidiaries, like WayneTech).
Looks like this movie's cast is getting a bit crowded.
http://batman-news.com/2016/05/01/batman-villain-cameos/
http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/05/01/ben-afflecks-the-batman-movie-rumored-to-include-lots-of-villain/
http://batman-news.com/2016/05/01/batman-villain-cameos/
http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/05/01/ben-afflecks-the-batman-movie-rumored-to-include-lots-of-villain/
Dawn of Justice and from what I hear, Civil War have managed to juggle a lot of characters so maybe this new Batman movie can do it too. Plus, we've gotten one or two villains per Batman movie for the last three decades so that's what people are used to. When Batman came out in 1989, I was actually surprised that we were only getting the Joker.
Oh, great, another spate of rumors to lead us down blind alleys for the next few years. Remember how Snyder's Wonder Woman was going to be Kryptonian?
Lots of villains isn't too far-fetched a rumor.
Sure, but you can't tell in advance which rumors are real and which are nonsense, so as a general rule it's best to be skeptical, to let the rumors flow off you and wait for confirmed, official news.
Also, the most likely-sounding rumors -- i.e. the ones that fit most neatly with our wishes and expectations -- are often the most likely to be false, because they're something that any random liar on the Internet could've thought up, or that someone could've mused about as a speculation that some listener mistook for a statement of fact. It's a very short game of telephone to get from "Man, wouldn't it be cool to have all the villains in this movie?" to "Reliable sources confirm that all the villains will be in this movie!"
I've heard Cher has been cast as Catwoman.
About eight years ago.
What constitutes "lots" of villains?
About eight years ago.
What constitutes "lots" of villains?
At this early a stage, even a true report about the filmmakers' plans could turn out to be false by the time the movie's actually made. Scripts get rewritten, deals are pursued and fall through, etc.
Well a lot of the well liked Batman storylines seem to have a decent amount of the rouges gallery show up.
More than the focus on one or two I guess, like what we got with the 1966 movie.
Probably wouldn't hurt to try something different after 3 decades.
There's no wishful thinking on my part because I don't care what they do. And maybe the rumor is totally false but the number of villains we might see sounds reasonable enough to latch onto and discuss.
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It would be weird if a bunch of villains showed up, because they should all be dead. Seriously, once Batman starts killing random crooks, his rogue's gallery should have the life expectancy of a goldfish in the Sahara. That's just one of the numerous the problems with making Batman into The Punisher, his rogue's gallery really stops being relevant.
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