Spoilers Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Grading & Discussion
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You know how these things go. Some people will say "lame, so predictable" while an equal number will say "wow, I never saw that coming!"They're not even trying to pretend it's a secret that Superman is coming back are they
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I like it
The extended edition fixed the few issues I had of this film after seeing it in theatres--with the exception that it's trying to accomplish too much. Man of Steel sequel, Batman reboot, Superman vs Batman, and finally introduction to the DC extended universe. It's amazing it's not 5 hours long.
I'm a DC fan, and have so far been happy with the 3 films so far. Here's hoping Wonder Woman and Justice League are great. And now that they've deconstructed Superman, I want to see him reborn with a smile on his face and embrace us place as Earth's greatest hero--other than Kirk, that is.
I'm a DC fan, and have so far been happy with the 3 films so far. Here's hoping Wonder Woman and Justice League are great. And now that they've deconstructed Superman, I want to see him reborn with a smile on his face and embrace us place as Earth's greatest hero--other than Kirk, that is.
I changed my vote after seeing the Ultimate Edition (I originally graded it an 'A'). I changed it to an A+ The extended cut really solidifies this as a great film in my mind. I love that Lois is now given much more to do and her investigation into what happened in Africa actually comes together and makes more sense, or at least it's more clear what's going on and how Lex was involved.
Also I love that Clark too has more to do, namely in his investigations into Batman. And speaking of Batman, this time around I had less issue with his killing because he's clearly a Batman who has been pushed too far over the edge by his rogues gallery.
A little thing I noticed, but right after watching this I took another look at the Justice League Comic-con footage... it's like night and day! The tone is changed and it's most likely WB's reaction to the outcry of the film being "too dark."
Also I love that Clark too has more to do, namely in his investigations into Batman. And speaking of Batman, this time around I had less issue with his killing because he's clearly a Batman who has been pushed too far over the edge by his rogues gallery.
A little thing I noticed, but right after watching this I took another look at the Justice League Comic-con footage... it's like night and day! The tone is changed and it's most likely WB's reaction to the outcry of the film being "too dark."
The article is nearly a week old, but topical given SS's performance. SS recently remained #1 at the BO for it's 3rd straight week. In a summer where blockbusters and would be blockbusters have been getting hammered by audience indifference. Batman v Superman has remained the top selling home video seller for 4 weeks. With the animated Killing Joke being #2 for 2 weeks.
http://variety.com/2016/digital/news/batman-films-remain-top-dvd-blu-ray-disc-sellers-1201840573/
WB must be doing something right.
http://variety.com/2016/digital/news/batman-films-remain-top-dvd-blu-ray-disc-sellers-1201840573/
WB must be doing something right.
I'm watching the EC on BD right now and I'm only about 20 minutes or so into it and, yeah, the added stuff so-far doesn't seem to do a whole lot. It works on some level on filling in some gaps but it sort-of feels like when a city fixes a pot-hole riddles street by using one of those "quick fix" trucks that fills and seals the hole in a few minutes but ultimately does nothing as it's not as good of a repair as actually re-paving the street. Which this movie needed, a ground-up repaving. (I.E., an entirely new story and plot.)
And why is Alfred always grousing about Bruce not getting married/continuing the family line? Why is Alfred going from concerned companion and father-like figure to over-protective Jewish mother worried about her kids never settling down?
And why is Alfred always grousing about Bruce not getting married/continuing the family line? Why is Alfred going from concerned companion and father-like figure to over-protective Jewish mother worried about her kids never settling down?
You know, if you're that hostile to the whole thing, why bother watching the longer cut? No one, any where, claimed the longer cut transforms the movie into something so different those who hated the theatrical cut will suddenly see it for the masterpiece it is. (not really calling it a masterpiece, incidentally)
It is a clear improvement in clarity over the theatrical cut and it is also clearly the cut Snyder would have released if he had complete control over the project. But anyone who hated the original and thinks this cut will "fix" all the things they dislike is bound to be disappointed.
Lots of parents--I'd wager most parents--pester their children about marrying and having children of their own. It's a perfectly natural response. (I, being both single and childless, can attest to it.) And Alfred almost certainly thinks of Bruce as his son as well as his employer and friend. Not only that, but he's also concerned with the legacy of the Wayne family, a legacy that goes back a very long time, and the older Bruce gets, the less likely it is he'll pass on that legacy to a new generation, particularly in his line of work.
Nolans Alfred did the same thing.
"I'd set you up with a chimpanzee if it would get you out of this house"
"You never moved on from Rachel"
Alfred Pennyworth: This house, Master Wayne, has sheltered six generations of your family.
Bruce Wayne: Why do you give a damn, Alfred? It's not your family.
Alfred Pennyworth: I give a damn, because a good man once made me responsible for what was most precious to him in the whole world. Miss Dawes has offered to drive you to the hearing. She probably hopes to talk you out of going
I don't see why snyders is getting such a bad rap
"I'd set you up with a chimpanzee if it would get you out of this house"
"You never moved on from Rachel"
Alfred Pennyworth: This house, Master Wayne, has sheltered six generations of your family.
Bruce Wayne: Why do you give a damn, Alfred? It's not your family.
Alfred Pennyworth: I give a damn, because a good man once made me responsible for what was most precious to him in the whole world. Miss Dawes has offered to drive you to the hearing. She probably hopes to talk you out of going
I don't see why snyders is getting such a bad rap
Never had a problem with Snyder. No, he's not this generations Spielber, but I've enjoyed several of his films. 300, Watchmen, Man of Steel and BvS. Liked them all. Own them all. Consider MoS and BvS my two favourite comic-book films. Don't fault anyone who hates his work or doesn't agree with me. They're just movies, after all.
Oh, I knew it wouldn't "fix" anything because the problems I had with the movie went far deeper than any special edition/uncut version could repair. But I was interested in watching the uncut version, didn't realize one had to be a fan of/in love with the movie in order to talk about it, though.
Re: The Alfred thing: Yeah, Nolan's did it too and in a "parental" way it makes sense but in this cut it seems.... Over the top. A few dismissive lines from Alfred over a handful of movies vs. a few, more hostile, chiding lines from Alfred within minutes of each other in a single movie. In the other movies it seemed out of concern for the Wayne lineage or Bruce's emotional health, but in BvS it comes across as a over-protective mother getting flippant about not having any grandchildren.
To be fair to Snyder, as big a hack as I think he (and the writer of BvS) are, Nolan's Alfred was so much worse then Snyder's its ridiculous. For the little screentime he had Snyder's Alfred was fairly inoffensive. Nolan's Alfred has kind of made me hate Michael Caine whenever he pops up because of how much I hated his Alfred. Alfred should want the best for Bruce, but still support him as Batman. Nolan's Alfred spent about 90% of his screentime whining at Bruce to quit being Batman. Just a very unpleseant character in a film trilogy without any particularly good characters in the first place (in my opinion, at least).
