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Spoilers Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Grading & Discussion

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Kind of an odd choice to give her an electric guitar motif when she's not just an ancient warrior, but her first film will be set over a decade before the electric guitar was invented. WWI and electric guitars...not a natural fit.

Yeah, very true. For some reason it just really worked for me in the movie though. Could've been a heat of the moment/kick-ass action thing but even listening to it on YT I still like it, anachronistic and all.
 
Kind of an odd choice to give her an electric guitar motif when she's not just an ancient warrior, but her first film will be set over a decade before the electric guitar was invented. WWI and electric guitars...not a natural fit.
I believe it was actually an electric cello, not guitar.

I was one of the people who thought that the "Big Blue Boyscout" version of Superman really wouldn't work in a modern, darker more cynical style of story, but now I'm starting to think that that kind of story could use the more traditional version. Instead of making Superman just as dark and cynical as the world around him, make him a bright, positive, optomistic counter to that world.
I think BvS sets up for both Bats and (born-again) Supes to be more positive in future films. And with the JLA on the way, it's sort of "twilight of the gods" in reverse.

(That's a Wagner reference. :) )

Never understood the need for an hour long review of a two-and-a-half hour movie.
I guess I should have explained a bit more: it's not so much a "review" as a panel discussion with phone-in comments.

I have come to like Screen Junkies generally (though of course it depends which panellists they have on).
 
I think BvS sets up for both Bats and (born-again) Supes to be more positive in future films. And with the JLA on the way, it's sort of "twilight of the gods" in reverse.

I sure hope you're right. If this is Snyder's Superman, I can only imagine his Eradicator!!
 
It's a shame they're breezing through the Death and Return of Superman like this, just like they did in the animated movie. I actually really love that entire saga, from Death to Funeral to the Four Supermen to Coast City and Mongul. That could make a really great 2-3 movie saga.

Movie 1: Doomsday's rampage, Superman dies, the funeral, ends with the 4 Supermen appearing
Movie 2: showing all 4 Supermen in action, ending with Coast City getting nuked and the Cyborg "killing" the Eradicator, and showing Superman in his cocoon in the Fortress.
Movie 3: Superman returns to lead everyone against Mongul and the Cyborg in Coast City
 
If and when we get there I expect there will turn out to have been all kinds of misdirection in those "visions." What exactly did Flash say, again? "You were right about him..."
 
If and when we get there I expect there will turn out to have been all kinds of misdirection in those "visions." What exactly did Flash say, again? "You were right about him..."

I found a gif. Vague warnings and unclear delivery. Typical for Barry time traveling and interfering with his own history. Didn't he do the same thing this week on Flash?
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Currently 3/4 of of the way through Kevin Smith's review. It's great if you want to hear a pothead rambling and telling you the exact plot of the movie, while widely missing the point on a couple of occasions.
For example, he seems to think Batman telling Superman he (Supes) is "not a man" is some sort of macho BS, when I think it's pretty obvious Bats means Supes is not human.

And a thought about the Martha/Martha thing - bear in mind, this isn't realism, this is opera.
It takes place in a realm of emotions.
 
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You know it's kind of funny, Luthor actually seemed to win in the end seeing as his whole plan was just to kill Superman.
 
And a thought about the Martha/Martha thing - bear in mind, this isn't realism, this is opera.It takes place in a realm of emotions.

Good point. The thing that kills me is all the people who are genre fans, whether it's Trek, Wars, Comics, whatever, that are willing to overlook some of the stupidest shit, but apparently this film is where they draw line? Centuries old Thor learns humility in a few days because he's powerless? We have the Hubble which has shown us thousands of galaxies, but Starfleets exponentially more powerful sensors and scanners miss a planetary explosion and it's resultant debris? Despite massive differences in the timeline, apparently the classic crew are all born and stationed on the ISS Enterprise? Even more unrealistic all the DS9 counterparts end up on DS9 as well? The Flash can alter the timeline, but everything is still pretty much how he left it despite Hartley now being a friend who's presence would've altered a shit ton of The Flash between that episode and last nights episode. Black Widow had a face changing device which pretty much made the first hour and a half of The Winter Soldier pointless because they could've just used that to avoid having to go on the run and could've infiltrated Hydra at their convenience. Let's not even get into all the shit from comic books.

So no, given all the crazier shit I've overlooked over the years, neither the "Martha" thing, nor anything else in the movie bothered me all that much or hurt my enjoyment of the film.
 
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Isn't that what Superman is fondly referred to in the comics.
The boy scout comment came from Frank Miller's TDKReturns, as a pejorative insult to Superman's character. It's seeped into pop culture and painted Superman as a square with no edge.
 
^ I could be wrong, but doesn't Lex Luthor refer to Superman as a boy scout in the first movie?
 
^ I could be wrong, but doesn't Lex Luthor refer to Superman as a boy scout in the first movie?
In extended cuts of it (some of which have been available pre-Dark Knight Returns) he does. There's a scene omitted from the theatrical cut where Superman has to overcome some hi-tech booby traps to get to Lex in his lair, machine guns, flame throwers and freezing equipment, all the while being monitored by Lex via CCTV. At the beginning of the sequence there's the following exchange between Lex and Miss Tesmarcher:
Lex: Look at that overgrown boy scout Miss Tessmarcher, tell me what you see?
Miss T: Cuteness, dimples!
Lex: You like cuteness, dimples?

And I'm convinced references to Superman as a boyscout pre-date 1977 when that scene was shot.
 
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IIRC, Otis also used the "overgrown boy scout" reference in the first prison scene in Superman II, when recapping the events of the first film.
 
<<Black Widow had a face changing device which pretty much made the first hour and a half of The Winter Soldier pointless because they could've just used that to avoid having to go on the run and could've infiltrated Hydra at their convenience.>>
Oh my god, I never thought of that before :eek::wtf::crazy:
 
<<Black Widow had a face changing device which pretty much made the first hour and a half of The Winter Soldier pointless because they could've just used that to avoid having to go on the run and could've infiltrated Hydra at their convenience.>>
Oh my god, I never thought of that before :eek::wtf::crazy:
Unless she got it from Fury after finding out he was still alive, which seems likely.
 
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