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Spoilers "Bad Future" episodes compared to "Picard"

What was the worst thing shown in a possible future, that you're thankful was undone?

  • Security Chief Neelix

    Votes: 3 21.4%
  • Badasses dead and Tom marrying Tinkerbell

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • Harry Kim pulling a "Breaking Dawn" on his best friend's daughter

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Data's Hugh Hefner cosplay

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • Creepy-Odo

    Votes: 4 28.6%
  • Generations of children with Dr. Phlox's forehead

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Harry Kim getting promoted

    Votes: 4 28.6%

  • Total voters
    14

WarpTenLizard

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Just some observations regarding "bad" futures we saw on the various show's, and how they compare to what's really happened by now.

All Good Things (TNG): Troi died young and no one got laid, except Picard and Bev, who later divorced. However, they all have successful careers, Geordie is married with kids, Data is a sugar daddy, and Picard has a vineyard.

Starfleet is dealing with about the same amount of stuff as an Ensign might see on the nightly news. The Romulans got conquered by the Klingons, but at least they still have a planet.

The Visitor (DS9): Sisko is a space ghost, but can still visit Jake every decade or so, and may or may not also be dating, depending on whether Beverly Crusher likes her space ghosts the way Janeway likes her coffee. But in any case, the rest of the main cast seems okay. Jadzia lived to an old age; Jake became an author and almost got laid. And the Dominion War either didn't occur, or could still be won without Captain Sisko.

Before & After (Voyager): This future is horrifying on several levels, or rather should be. Janeway and B'Elanna dead, and Voyager still lost as a result; Seven, the Borglets, and billions of others never freed from the Collective; Tom married to Kes, Harry married to their daughter, Neelix as Chief of Security, and the Doctor's awful hair.

And yet, no one seems to care. Chakotay gets to be captain, Tom and Harry have hot wives, the Doc has hair, and Linnis doesn't have to deal with any giant leprechauns. Luckily Kes herself saw that this "happy" future wasn't that interesting, and erased it by warning Janeway about the Krenim.

Timeless (Voyager): Everyone died except Chakotay, the Doc and the Dweeb. But at this point in the show, they've only even been on Voyager for four years. Sad sure, but spending almost 3 times that span of time trying to change history for them?
Chack, the Dweeb and La Forge are admirals or captains, and Chakotay is a silver fox like Data, still getting laid.

No word on the Borg, the Dominion, or the Romulans. But the Federation apparently has enough free time for Chakotay and Harry Kim to be the quadrant's Real Public Enemy #1.

Endgame (Voyager): It took 16 more years for Voyager to get home, but everyone besides Janeway seems okay with it. Tuvok has gone crazy, but what else is new. Seven and the Chuck didn't get a happy ending, but the Doctor sure did (with an adult film star no less!)

The Borg are still active, but haven't assimilated the Federation yet.

THE CURRENT TIMELINE:


The Borg, Dominion and Remans are defeated; but Data, and later Romulus, have gone Boom. Romulans are endangered and scattered, as are ex Borg drones. Corruption is behind every deadly-flower-shooting tree, and a threat worse than the Borg threatens to arrive to the galaxy.

Troi and Riker had an almost happy ending, though their first son died. They have a healthy daughter though, and Riker isn't binging "Enterprise" anymore.

Jadzia died young and violently, while Ben Sisko wound up still becoming a space ghost, ghosting not only Jake but also Kassidy and their baby.

Seven is alive and kicking ass, but depressed, and Icheb is hosed. Though in many of these other timelines, they'd still be drones.

It seems all these timelines have their ups and downs. But is the timeline that wound up happening about as bad, if not a tad worse, than all the "bad" futures in these featured episodes?

I have no actual argument here. This is just an irony I find amusing.
 
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Data's Hugh Heffner Cosplay. Along with not having the gray in his hair. And I don't see how people can complain about people in Picard dressing too contemporary when "All Good Things" was even worse. Data's maid was dressed like she was from the early-1900s.
 
Data's Hugh Heffner Cosplay. Along with not having the gray in his hair. And I don't see how people can complain about people in Picard dressing too contemporary when "All Good Things" was even worse. Data's maid was dressed like she was from the early-1900s.

I think perhaps Data's maid was a sentient, mobile hologram. She has some of the Doctor's qualities of being a bit of a jerk to deal with.
 
And I don't see how people can complain about people in Picard dressing too contemporary when "All Good Things" was even worse. Data's maid was dressed like she was from the early-1900s.
She was? Where's her bustle? ;)

She looks dressed similarly to the rest of the people in AGT as far as I can see.
 
Are the Borg defeated? We saw one inactive cube in Picard, but it was deactivated 14 years prior because of
One crazy Romulan lady
The Borg are still a threat in the Picard-era.
 
Tom married to Kes, Harry married to their daughter,
The bolded part always made me uncomfortable. Harry is essentially the girl's uncle, and they got married and had a child together? Shudders
Are the Borg defeated? We saw one inactive cube in Picard, but it was deactivated 14 years prior because of
One crazy Romulan lady
The Borg are still a threat in the Picard-era.
Indeed, in the early episodes a concern is even voiced about the Collective coming back for the Artifact, which is dismissed because once a ship is disconnected from the Collective, the Borg leave it be.
 
Data's Hugh Heffner Cosplay. Along with not having the gray in his hair. And I don't see how people can complain about people in Picard dressing too contemporary when "All Good Things" was even worse. Data's maid was dressed like she was from the early-1900s.

And spoke like it too! It was as though the actress had wandered into the wrong set, expecting to be in a Dickens adaptation.
 
I don't think the Borg are necessarily defeated in Picard. They suffered a setback when their hub was destroyed, sure, but they were still around and assimilating Romulans in the mid 2380s.

Personally I loved the before & after future: it showed something of what Voyager should have been but never was, with the ship surviving hard times and events having lasting consequences on it on the crew but being repaired and literally turning generational after many years in space.
 
Personally I loved the before & after future: it showed something of what Voyager should have been but never was, with the ship surviving hard times and events having lasting consequences on it on the crew but being repaired and literally turning generational after many years in space.

I agree with that sentiment. And I actually love bizarre relationships in sci-fi, and like the idea of the half-Ocampa family. I just loath the idea of B'Elanna dying so early, and Tom ending up with Kes.
 
Data's Hugh Heffner Cosplay. Along with not having the gray in his hair. And I don't see how people can complain about people in Picard dressing too contemporary when "All Good Things" was even worse. Data's maid was dressed like she was from the early-1900s.
Well, for the history buffs among us, that sweater thing of hers definitely looked like a product of 1994.
Screencaps for reference: https://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=176&page=12

Kor
 
I don't see how people can complain about people in Picard dressing too contemporary

Who is complaing about this? Take me to them right now. We're going to find a nice tree and fashion a switch along the way.

Anyone who is complaining about this needs to sit in the back. Or are they also complaining about the fact that everyone is speaking in 20th century English? It is 400 years in the future, right?
 
Who is complaing about this? Take me to them right now. We're going to find a nice tree and fashion a switch along the way.

Anyone who is complaining about this needs to sit in the back. Or are they also complaining about the fact that everyone is speaking in 20th century English? It is 400 years in the future, right?
Pubert. 'nuff said.
 
It didn’t seem clear how much damage it actually did to the collective when Janeway used the Trojan virus on the Queen.

They destroyed that Hub, that Queen, and seemed like it sabotaged an important node in the Collective.

Did it permanently destroy it or just force them into a rebuild? Did the Unamatrix Zero controlled cubes seize the power vacuum to take control themselves? We have no real answers.

The attitude toward XBs in Picard seems to imply people are still scared of the Borg.
 
Who is complaing about this? Take me to them right now. We're going to find a nice tree and fashion a switch along the way.

Anyone who is complaining about this needs to sit in the back. Or are they also complaining about the fact that everyone is speaking in 20th century English? It is 400 years in the future, right?

Neckties should not exist in the future. They should not even exist now.

They are a clear sign that Picard is set in some sort of disturbing, unsettling dystopia.
 
Who is complaing about this? Take me to them right now. We're going to find a nice tree and fashion a switch along the way.

Anyone who is complaining about this needs to sit in the back. Or are they also complaining about the fact that everyone is speaking in 20th century English? It is 400 years in the future, right?
It is a complaint I've seen a lot. Mostly in the Picard forum. Personally, I have no problem with everyone wearing contemporary clothes in Picard. But then I was okay with on BSG, too, which was people frequently complained about being "unimaginative." Never did understand what exactly it was about ill-fitting jumpsuits that somehow makes them "imaginative."
Neckties should not exist in the future. They should not even exist now.

They are a clear sign that Picard is set in some sort of disturbing, unsettling dystopia.
Personally, I've always had a problem with those weird short neckties that the rich people wore in Past Tense. WTF were they thinking with those?
 
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