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Babylon 5

I'm all for this personally. I mean, the original Babylon 5 suffered from three major issues which this can fix.
  1. Terrible VFX - we can do better now even on CW budgets.
  2. Really inconsistent acting. Jurasik and Katsulas were incredible, but the rest of the cast was mediocre to awful - as was most of the guest cast.
  3. There were all sorts of arc-related issues, from the largely episodic first season JMS was forced to do to prove the concept to the networks, to the rushed season 4 with two seasons worth of plot, to the actual season 5 tacked on at the end and largely useless.
It seems to me a modern version could do much better treating the original series like a rough draft - something JMS can do since he had credit on basically all the "arc episodes." Pulp almost all of Seasons 1 and 5, and pull together the strongest elements of the middle three into a tight new five-season narrative.
Absolutely 110% this.

A modern, well made high production value pass at it hitting all the high spots but with the fat cut off.

I've been on at Jr. to watch the show - it may actually be better for him to wait a while and watch the new one unspoiled.
 
We’re just primacy biased to see shadows as more evil because they got murdery sooner in the story.

Even if the original B5 was rougher, the twists were unexpected. No matter how modern a sheen they put on the same story, we will still know in broad strokes everything that will happen.

If they treat it like an alternate history and make crucial changes early on, it would be more interesting.
 
I didn't say they were good or evil...I actually get annoyed when people inherently associate Chaos with Evil...just that that's how they tried to spin themselves and perhaps how the show itself spun them to some degree (to set up audience bias?). As you noted, if you make a race of aliens that's pitch-black spiders and killed (or worse) the captain's wife, you're going to have to do some pretty heavy lifting to make them seem anything other than malevolent. While we later found out via Lyta in particular that the Vorlons were just as bad, perhaps their badness was painted with a softer brush.

Both races had lost their way to the point that the younger races were just tools to prove their dogma superior, and I wouldn't say either had the moral high ground in the end.

I wouldn't say the Shadows were overt (TBF you did say "more" overt). They used proxies rather than present themselves openly through mid-S3 or so, and Londo was certainly manipulated and didn't realize what he was setting his people up for, even if the deals he thought he was making were ones he made of his own free will.

They also killed Londo's girlfriend and allowed him to believe someone else was responsible. :p
Yeah, those were just my personal opinions. I don't claim that they're correct or even commonly shared with other viewers. I hope any new show makes the advanced alien races feel more terrifying in a Lovecraftian sense, whether they are notionally on the side of humanity, indifferent to humanity, or adversarial toward humanity. If they are a million or a billion years more advanced, I'd like us to feel proportionally insignificant.
 
Yeah, those were just my personal opinions. I don't claim that they're correct or even commonly shared with other viewers. I hope any new show makes the advanced alien races feel more terrifying in a Lovecraftian sense, whether they are notionally on the side of humanity, indifferent to humanity, or adversarial toward humanity. If they are a million or a billion years more advanced, I'd like us to feel proportionally insignificant.
I think the prospect of humanity allying with some unknowable Lovecraftian enigma portrayed in a more visceral horror slanted manner appealing.

There's no need to go gore schlocky, but...a sense of deep incomprehensible, unfeeling otherness...
 
I think the prospect of humanity allying with some unknowable Lovecraftian enigma portrayed in a more visceral horror slanted manner appealing.

There's no need to go gore schlocky, but...a sense of deep incomprehensible, unfeeling otherness...
Yeah, I don't know how to achieve that but I'm sure people exist with the requisite talents similar to what H R Giger did for the original Alien.
 
Yeah, I don't know how to achieve that but I'm sure people exist with the requisite talents similar to what H R Giger did for the original Alien.

They kind of went there with Thirdspace, which I found a disappointing film, but the concept of the aliens was interesting, and the backstory was somewhat compelling, enough that maybe it was a shame that well was never dipped into again. Maybe there would have ultimately been a connection to LotR, which hinted at yet another ancient evil?

Anyway, this kind of ties back to my earlier post...it would be nice to flip audience expectations a bit and have the scarier looking aliens actually be allies(?) while the aliens that are less viscerally unsettling are the more malevolent ones.

I'm imagining the Battle of the Line ending not so much because the Minbari realized they were effectively killing themselves, but because they learned that if they continued the fight then an enigmatic power with an interest in humanity would get involved. I dunno, that's less than five minutes of thought. :p
 
Eldritch horror is difficult to make convincing and even if you achieve it, it soon becomes old hat. You can end up with somewhat laughable monsters of the week like in Infection and that other episode - Grey 17 Is Missing - that JMS sort of apologised about if I recall correctly.
 
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The actual higher ranks of angels described in the Old Testament are really quite frightening beings and don't look like the cosy vision Kosh presented to onlookers.
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Kosh looked like a malakh to humans and not a cherubim, seraphim or ophanim.
 
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If JMS has as much "Stroke" with the higher ups as "The CW" as we're led to believe, he can get the "Supernatural" treatment and get renewed as much as possible, ergo the 15 season run of "Supernatural".
Supernatural's fifteen year run wasn't planned. Supernatural was in fact only planned for a five year run, and indeed many of the writers and producers (including the show's creator) who were there in the first season left after the fifth because they did everything they wanted with the show. It's only because the ratings were so great and there were other writers and producers who still saw life in the show that it continued another ten years.

Regardless, I'm under the impression that JMS really has a boner for five year plans to the point that he has tunnel vision on the matter and refuses to view his shows as anything other than five year arcs.
 
Regardless, I'm under the impression that JMS really has a boner for five year plans to the point that he has tunnel vision on the matter and refuses to view his shows as anything other than five year arcs.
I don't think it's hard locked to a 5 year plan or any # of years.

He has X # of arcs and he plans on telling them.

If that means 5/7/9/15 years, he'll space it out as needed.
 
A quick illustration on the realities of show business for the folks who've commented (here and elsewhere) that they wish JMS would write something new instead of doing a B5 reboot. As some of you know, I'm a JMS fan more than just a B5 fan. So I checked my notes and here's some info on the non-B5 scripts that JMS has mentioned doing in the past. These are all sitting on a shelf somewhere:

10 TV pilot scripts
14 feature film scripts

Some were spec and some were commissioned and I'm not going to give a list or any other details. That's up to JMS if he chooses. But remember, these are just the ones I know about.
 
I would have thought the CW might have been more interested in rebooting a property like Firefly but Disney have The Mandalorian and its spin-offs so it'd be difficult to compete in the SF/western cross-over genre. I don't know if the rights are available anyway. It might be time for grand space opera to be in vogue again after all the countless iterations of superhero stories.
 
I'm unsure, but let's see.
So much of the popularity of the original was wondering about the answers. A straight remake won't have that mystery, but can jms come up with other answers that work, and would fans accept them?
 
My instinct is that the song is over as far as I'm concerned but a fresh audience won't likely have any preconceptions.
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I'll sing my song to the wide open spaces
I'll sing my heart out to the infinite sea
I'll sing my visions to the sky high mountains
I'll sing my song to the free, to the free

The song is over
I'm left with only tears
I must remember
Even if it takes a million years

The song is over
The song is over
Excepting one note, pure and easy
Playing so free, like a breath rippling by
 
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