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I theorized it has something to do with either humans being among the youngest space faring races, or that the mutai was a creation of the Dilgar, and since the humans had a huge hand in their final defeat that ultimately led to their extinction, they were forbidden to enter.

Wait, I'm missing something. What did the Dilgar war have to do with their extinction from a later plague?
 
Wait, I'm missing something. What did the Dilgar war have to do with their extinction from a later plague?
The Dilgar fought a war with the League of Non-aligned Worlds. The Earth Alliance joined the side of the League fighting against the Dilgar and forced the Dilgar back to their homeworld. After the war ended, the Dilgar Sun went Nova. Only a few of the Dilgar not in their home system survived.
 
Why would the people being whacked by the Dilgar bother with having or maintaining a Dilgar sport? Even if they did, why would they exclude the folks who saved them from the Dilgar? Besides, there's nothing to even suggest the Dilgar had anything to do with the Mutai.

It's much simpler to take the aliens in the episode at their word, they find the humans too pushy and eager to get themselves into everyone's deal.

The issue makes a good counterpoint to Delenn's belief that the human's strength is in getting disparate races to form communities of multiple species. Most aliens just don't do that but not everyone is going to be happy with grand galactic cosmopolitanism which is what resistance to human involvement is about here.
 
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True. And it's a mirror to the growing number of xenophobic human groups that we see that season and throughout the Clark Regime.

Cart before the horse.

Clark was probably told to attack Alien interests by the Shadows.

He owed them.

To explain that away, Morgan had to grab the hearts and minds of all the Xenophobes and put them to work.
 
Cart before the horse.

Clark was probably told to attack Alien interests by the Shadows.

He owed them.

To explain that away, Morgan had to grab the hearts and minds of all the Xenophobes and put them to work.
Except he didn't. Under his regime Earth turned isolationist. That was probably at the behest at Morden and his associates.
Also worth bearing in mind is that the way Morden operated, he didn't seek to "make" people do anything. (At least not at this stage of the game. Keepers come later.) Generally he sought out those who's goals aligned with theirs' in some way and simply applied a little leverage. Clarke wanted power and was backed by those within EF and a certain Psi Corps faction who also wanted power. Best way for them to do that is play on the conservative human centric attitudes and anti-alien fears that was all too easy to manipulate post-Minbari War.
 
Except he didn't. Under his regime Earth turned isolationist. That was probably at the behest at Morden and his associates.
Also worth bearing in mind is that the way Morden operated, he didn't seek to "make" people do anything. (At least not at this stage of the game. Keepers come later.) Generally he sought out those who's goals aligned with theirs' in some way and simply applied a little leverage. Clarke wanted power and was backed by those within EF and a certain Psi Corps faction who also wanted power. Best way for them to do that is play on the conservative human centric attitudes and anti-alien fears that was all too easy to manipulate post-Minbari War.

That Shadow Hybrid fleet wasn't just for show.

Once Clark secured the homefront, he was coming for everyone.

Destroying Humanity, would make everyone else stronger.

That's the Shadows plan.

Start fights, create strength.

Sheridan just bought the Clarke's agenda to a close before it started.
 
That Shadow Hybrid fleet wasn't just for show.
And it wasn't exactly provided by the Shadows either. The operation on Ganymede didn't exactly look like a co-operative effort did it, and they didn't let them keep the one on Mars either, did they? Plus they were still screwing around with this stuff long after the Shadows took off for the outer rim. Each party was using the other for it's own ends, nothing more.
 
If Crusade is taken into account, the EA or some group of them had a Shadow vessel of sorts by 2259. (the Shadow Hunter that destroyed Gideon's ship was supposedly operated by some Earth group.)
 
If Crusade is taken into account, the EA or some group of them had a Shadow vessel of sorts by 2259. (the Shadow Hunter that destroyed Gideon's ship was supposedly operated by some Earth group.)

Are you really suggesting that Luis Santiago was also in the Shadows pocket?

It also says that Clarke was VP for 7 years.

Jesus.

No, no. it's possible... Morden asked Vir "What do you want?" too.
 
The Earth Alliance presidency is a little odd, but similar to the early USA: vice president is the person who came second, not the president's nominated running mate.
 
The Earth Alliance presidency is a little odd, but similar to the early USA: vice president is the person who came second, not the president's nominated running mate.
Well, that's how it was for first first two presidents of the United States. Clearly the Earth Alliance liked that idea.
 
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