Babylon 5

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Kail, Nov 21, 2015.

  1. Gov Kodos

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    I expect Earth would have broken up into competitive states/regions after the great burn while people fought over limited and safe resources. The colonies, especially the closest on Mars, may have not wanted to get involved in a cluster fuck like that. Mars and other colonies may have long since gone independent of Earth that making Earth go so xenophobic there was a planet blasting war. Off world humans may have gone alien so to speak and given up dealing with Earth's imperial ambitions and pushiness deciding after the great burn to leave them to their misery while the colonies take advantage of their place in the Interstellar Alliance.

    The quiet moving Rangers are like UN advisors and aid of sorts. They aren't there to fix things but to help the folks on Earth fix their problems more of which are likely social ones that are far harder to fix. Dumping technology on Earth in its blighted condition might ignite more problems than it would fix.
     
  2. DonIago

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    It's also possible Mars and the colonies got caught up in the same issues that ultimately devastated Earth. Maybe Mars didn't help because it was in no position to do so.
     
  3. Roko's Basilisk

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    Yes, those were the reasons I also came up with for the seeming lack of outside intervention. The Deconstruction of Falling Stars isn't a bad episode at all, quite the opposite. We see at the end that the (trans)human race does survive.
     
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  4. Guy Gardener

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    Thousands of missiles hit Earth within minutes of Garibaldi cracking their system.

    Those missiles came from the Moon, Mars, or hyperspacial folds.

    My money is on Mars.
     
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  5. DonIago

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    Do you think they were manufactured by Edgars Industries?

    Oddly fitting if HoloBaldi destroyed the Earth via missiles the company he joined manufactured.
     
  6. Sad Kelpian Child

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    It was implied that those missiles were aimed at military targets. The great burn may have happened in the ensuing conflict but not instantly.
     
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  7. Jan

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    Edgars/Garibaldi was a pharmaceutical company, not a munitions company, though.
     
  8. DonIago

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    Fair point, though who knows what they were by that point in time...
     
  9. Roko's Basilisk

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    Although when I first watched the episode, I correctly predicted what the beta-level simulation of Garibaldi would do, I thought it too extreme even him. My interpretation is that the AI simulating Garibaldi was given such a warped personality profile of him that this is why his sim acted as it did. In other words, it's a rogue AI scenario. They should have run the simulation air gapped (or better vacuum gapped) in a Faraday cage.
     
  10. KamenRiderBlade

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    ALOT of things should have been runned Air Gapped, IRL too!
     
  11. Roko's Basilisk

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    As the Iranians have found out.
     
  12. DonIago

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    It seemed like a bit of a conceit that a holographic (or what-not) character could do all of that. Poor networking design for sure.

    I guess "Elementary Dear Data" and such prepared us for holographic characters being able to do such things, but still...
     
  13. Guy Gardener

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    Missiles with jump engines are fast.

    A Jump engine is an explosive in it's own right.

    So they they don't to drag a hundred tons of TNT to their target, just rig the engine to rip hyper space in half when it reaches it's target.

    If Sam Francisco had hours till the bombs struck, then he could have driven to safety, and the early alert sirens wouldn't have been blaring.
     
  14. diankra

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    Unfortunately, I think Ivanova and Lochley (plus the Crusade team) are the only ones where both character and actor are still alive post SiL.
     
  15. Sad Kelpian Child

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    Wow, a lot of deaths I was unaware of.

    Does Bester die in a way I'm unaware of?

    Edit: Laurel Takashima and her actress are both alive. Not sure that counts but she was a main character for one episode.

    Also both Na'Toths. And from the research, wait, she's Grilka?
     
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  16. Farscape One

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    Yes, she is.

    Original Na'Toth has also been Ty Kajada in "THE PASSENGER", and one of the mercenaries in the "Gambit" two-parter.
     
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  17. David cgc

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    In the (canon) Psi-Corps novels, Bester died in prison not long after Sheridan went on his "Sunday drive" and disappeared.
     
  18. Reverend

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    IIRC it was one of the biggest mega-corps on Mars and had it's fingers in a lot of pies. Enough that the board were worried about the personal blowback post-independence. Plus it's called 'Edgars Industries' not something like 'Edgars Pharmaceuticals', so while the pharmaceutical side of things may be what they're best known for, it's probably far from the limit of their portfolio.

    Hell, even here in the real world any company above a certain size is expected to diversify to protect the stock price, and it's kinda scary how diverse and far reaching the really big ones have gotten...
     
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  19. Guy Gardener

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    Garibaldi is raising Franz's kid.

    The name of the company is going to change.
     
  20. Jan

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    No indication at all that the girl we saw was anything but Lise and Garibaldi's daughter.
     
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