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B5: Centauri makeup

In "The Hour of the Wolf", Cartagia asks Londo what he thinks of the short crest and Londo's comment is that it's shorter than is traditional for somebody in Cartagia's position. Cartagia tells him that it allows him to walk in places where the nobility would ordinarily never go.

In "The Coming of Shadows", when the emperor declines the wig crest, he says that the 'trappings of status' don't mean as much as they used to, and continues with the comment about the women being right to shave their heads and rise above such things.

Jan
 
I've got a great set of reference materials. :techman:

BTW, RoJoHen, have you gone through the commentaries on the DVDs yet? As I recall we advised against them on your first viewing since they're very spoilerful but they're interesting.

Jan
 
I have not. I'm usually not big on DVD commentaries. I'm currently rewatching the show, though (currently watching the Jack the Ripper episode, which I think is just frickin cool), so I'm hoping to get a more coherent idea of the story in my head.
 
I have not. I'm usually not big on DVD commentaries.
I like the JMS ones. The cast ones, particularly if Jerry Doyle's in them are pretty much just goofing around.

I'm currently rewatching the show, though (currently watching the Jack the Ripper episode, which I think is just frickin cool), so I'm hoping to get a more coherent idea of the story in my head.
That's one of my favorites and one that eluded me the first time watching. I think it wasn't until the TNT first run that I got to see it.

Jan
 
I've got a great set of reference materials. :techman:
Now, if I had said that about you....... :eek:


I'm currently rewatching the show, though (currently watching the Jack the Ripper episode, which I think is just frickin cool), so I'm hoping to get a more coherent idea of the story in my head.
"Comes the Inquisitor" has a high quotation quotient and is an intense story, especially when you see what Sheridan and Delenn have to go through.

And the B-plot with G'Kar and Garibaldi is pretty cool, too
 
Such an underrated episode IMO.

A lot of people fixate on the idea of having Jack the Ripper turn up and completely miss some truly outstanding performances. Boxleitner, Furlan and Alexander are uniformly excellent.
 
The Straczynski commentaries are very informative. The cast commentaries are a mess IMO, but they do convey how much the cast had fun with Babylon 5.
Each type of commentary serves a different purpose. JMS' serve to inform and enlighten as to how an episodes came to be. The cast commentaries are just insane goofy fun designed for laughs and entertainment. We've enjoyed all of them.
 
Such an underrated episode IMO.

A lot of people fixate on the idea of having Jack the Ripper turn up and completely miss some truly outstanding performances. Boxleitner, Furlan and Alexander are uniformly excellent.
See, the first time I watched it, I thought it was really intense and well-acted. I loved every minute of it. And then at the very end, when Sebastian reveals who he is, "...remembered only as Jack," I thought it was such a cool way to do it!

Anyway, yeah, I think it's a fantastic episode.


One thing about it (and the first two seasons in general) that fascinates me is Delenn's complete trust in Kosh. Especially knowing what happens later with the Vorlons and Shadows, it's interesting to watch. Why does Delenn trust him so implicitely? Why would she subject herself to the Inquisitor just because Kosh said so?
 
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^The only WTF moment in the episode for me was that B5 has complete records of who lived at a particlar address in London in 1888. Does London even have records like that? :lol:
 
Well, B5 itself probably didn't have those records, but Sheridan could have contacted someone back on Earth where it was entirely possible to find such. Granted, it may seem somewhat obscure at such a time, but ....
 
One thing about it (and the first two seasons in general) that fascinates me is Delenn's complete trust in Kosh. Especially knowing what happens later with the Vorlons and Shadows, it's interesting to watch. Why does Delenn trust him so implicitely? Why would she subject herself to the Inquisitor just because Kosh said so?

Well, "understanding is not required, only obedience." They must have learned that from someone - probably the Vorlons told them so for 1000 years.
 
One thing about it (and the first two seasons in general) that fascinates me is Delenn's complete trust in Kosh. Especially knowing what happens later with the Vorlons and Shadows, it's interesting to watch. Why does Delenn trust him so implicitely? Why would she subject herself to the Inquisitor just because Kosh said so?

Well, "understanding is not required, only obedience." They must have learned that from someone - probably the Vorlons told them so for 1000 years.
Ooooh, good call.
 
^The only WTF moment in the episode for me was that B5 has complete records of who lived at a particlar address in London in 1888. Does London even have records like that? :lol:


Really typical Sci-Fi thing, remember that the Ent-D seems to carry enough infomation about any human in "The Neutral Zone" to recondtruct the family-trees of the 2oth century people, they found.
 
^The only WTF moment in the episode for me was that B5 has complete records of who lived at a particlar address in London in 1888. Does London even have records like that? :lol:

Really typical Sci-Fi thing, remember that the Ent-D seems to carry enough infomation about any human in "The Neutral Zone" to recondtruct the family-trees of the 2oth century people, they found.

True, but The Next Generation takes place 100 years after Babylon 5 is set, with technology hugely beyond Babylon 5. Whereas Babylon 5 was a show that tried to be realistic whenever possible.

Still, a minor quibble.
 
Well it's just information, no? The only technical requirement is in storage space and processor power. They use crystals for storage so I imagine it's molecular memory, no storage isn't an issue and they have the capability to have a functioning AI (after a fashion) on the station so they're ok for processing power. As for having access to such obscure data, just look what's out there on the internet. Just the other month I was doing some family tree research and found a scan of a series of handwritten letters to and from my great grandfather concerning his army pension after he got mustard gassed. Now that's available for anyone to find, so I can see just about anything in recorded history being available in 250 years. Also, as I recall it took the computer a while to run the search, so it's not exactly at their fingertips.
Just to note this is a consistent thing in the B5 universe remember that Franklin uncovered the genocide of the Hyach-Do from a centuries old Drazi recording and the bloke who always plays psychos found out he was a mind-wiped serial killer with just a handful of keywords.

As for Delenn's belief in Kosh, leaving aside that she's a creature of faith that had a personal visit from Valen when she was a child (did Joe ever come out and admit that Sinclair went the way of Sheridan, btw?) remember that Dukat trusted the Vorlons and she implicitly trusted and Dukat, so I'm sure that's a large part of it too. Plus of course 1000 years of Minbari cultural baggage.
On top of that, before her change she got to see Kosh unsuited and was granted a vision of Valaria, which would be like a faithful Catholic receiving a visit from the Arc Angel Gabriel. Which brings us back to Mr. Sebastian; Kosh wanted to be sure of her motivations. Somehow I have a feeling that if Ulkesh was on B5 instead of Kosh that he wouldn't care why she obeyed, so long as she obeyed.
 
The B5 one was Dukhat, not Dukat. Dukat was the worshiper of the evil red-eye dudes not the evil jellyfish.
 
Still, a minor quibble.

Oh, absolutley. Nothing could diminish that episode's awesomness.

Well it's just information, no?

True, but what I wonder is, does that info even exist at all? I mean, right now, could someone find a record anywhere of who lived at a particular address in London's East End in October 1888? Seems like a longshot. And to have Susan react with a quick "not a problem" seemed odd.

But again, like the Hirogen says, a minor quibble.
 
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