Axanar found 100K to cut from their budget....

[USS Intrepid]

There's whining and then there are legitimate complaints. If someone is a donor and feels the production is not living up to it's promises in terms of perk fulfillment or what have you, that's a perfect valid concern to raise in public, especially as an FYI to other potential donors.

I donated, and I'm perfectly happy. I realise mileage varies.

Look, I don't have a problem with anyone raising their concerns, but it seems to me we're way past that here. Do so many threads have to turn into yet another Axanar tangent?

Then again, what do I care? I tried, no one's forcing me to be here. Ya'll have fun.

 

[BigJake]

Look, I don't have a problem with anyone raising their concerns, but it seems to me we're way past that here.

Believe me, this thread is a picture of health compared to what Axanar threads used to look like. Baby steps.

I am getting rather curious as to what those who keep complaining about "the rate of production" would do to change it. I've seen northstar ask this question rather pointedly a few times and I have yet to really see an answer to it. Like, I dunno... Jedi_Master, you seem to have pretty much decided this particular topic is your wheelhouse, what's your reason for that and what do you think they should be doing differently?

 

[Maurice]

First off, what percentage of fanfilms ever finish/release on their announced schedule?

Let's face it, Axanar is a lightning rod because of the amount of money they've raised, which tends to make people less forgiving ("with all that money, why can't they..."), a novel trailer which has created perhaps false expectations (especially given the film itself will utilize that format), and a head-honcho who, in his time here, was frequently hot-headed and perceived as arrogant.

None of that excuses some people's incessant sniping and nipping at the heels of every step of the production, merited or otherwise.

 

[BigJake]

^ QFT.

 

[fireproof78]

There's whining and then there are legitimate complaints. If someone is a donor and feels the production is not living up to it's promises in terms of perk fulfillment or what have you, that's a perfect valid concern to raise in public, especially as an FYI to other potential donors.

I donated, and I'm perfectly happy. I realise mileage varies.

Look, I don't have a problem with anyone raising their concerns, but it seems to me we're way past that here. Do so many threads have to turn into yet another Axanar tangent?

Then again, what do I care? I tried, no one's forcing me to be here. Ya'll have fun.

Well, at least this thread has Axanar in the title

Also, can there be a "cautiously optimistic" category? I have my reservations about Axanar but I have them about almost every fan production. I'm still waiting for the third episode of one Star Wars production that I was watching since it first came out. I totally understand that timing on these projects is neither quick nor painless.

I asked my questions when Terry was still around, and was, more or less, satisfied.

That said, there is a certain level of concern with the amount of money involved (I felt the same way about "Of Gods and Men, Renegades, among others) as well as some of the publicity and comments. This led to my creating another thread all about fan film critique, as I am often cautious of productions that are done as a negative reaction to another production.

tl:dr mileage may vary, but I'm cautious due to a number of factors.

 

[Jedman67]

I think i'm well justified in complaining about his cat blogging. But that's just me, I like complaining for the fun of it, no one should take me too seriously about it. People who nitpick about the budget or increasing costs or whatnot should take the time to read the axanar blog articles regarding just that - budgets change depending on what funding is available, item costs change, certain things are cut, others added...etc.

Based on what I've read from them, my personal opinion is that they should have raised money through VC to start their own production studio and for-profit movies; then when you have the facilities all paid for, solicit donations for your fan-film.
But that's just my $0.02.

 

[Harvey]

What investor is going to fork over money for a production facility being started by someone with literally no professional production experience?

By the same coin, what investor would fork over money to a production facility that plans to start by making an unlicensed fan film? Best case scenario, they make no profit for the investors. Worst case scenario, they're sued by a major studio with legions of litigators.

 

[JoeZhang]

With all the people looking to take potshots at Axanar these days, including other fan film producers, perhaps we should just rename this sub-forum the Axanar Whine Fest.

That ship left port loooong ago.

Thank god you are here - my sense of balance forced me to write some posts that might be considered as favourable - I can now return to my nature state in the universe.

 

[BigJake]

I think i'm well justified in complaining about his cat blogging.

Your complaining about the cat blogging is actually amusing.

 

[Kor]

I am not emotionally or financially invested in this project at all.

I will say that, to me, the vignettes released so far are least as good as anything we ever got on "Enterprise" (be that as it may ).

Kor

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

Look, I don't have a problem with anyone raising their concerns, but it seems to me we're way past that here.

Believe me, this thread is a picture of health compared to what Axanar threads used to look like. Baby steps.

I am getting rather curious as to what those who keep complaining about "the rate of production" would do to change it. I've seen northstar ask this question rather pointedly a few times and I have yet to really see an answer to it. Like, I dunno... Jedi_Master, you seem to have pretty much decided this particular topic is your wheelhouse, what's your reason for that and what do you think they should be doing differently?

I dunno... maybe just make the film already?

There are what, 3 standing TOS sets across the studio, I think? Kingsland GA, Ticonderoga NY, and Tulsa... I get Alec won't be calling on Vic to use the STC sets in GA... okay, but that leaves two others.... why the monumental delay.... And yes, a year and a half, with two fundraisers, is a monumental delay, when according to the first kickstarter, Perk Fulfillment (DVDs and Blue Rays) was supposed to be 7 months ago...

 

[Jedi_Master]

Jedi_Master, you seem to have pretty much decided this particular topic is your wheelhouse, what's your reason for that and what do you think they should be doing differently?

Actually, you may have noticed that I wasn't complaining in this thread and defended the budgetary actions of the Axanar team.

 

[Jedman67]

I think i'm well justified in complaining about his cat blogging.

Your complaining about the cat blogging is actually amusing.

I try. I hope the post office will accept this bag of sardines i'm mailing Alec.

What investor is going to fork over money for a production facility being started by someone with literally no professional production experience?

By the same coin, what investor would fork over money to a production facility that plans to start by making an unlicensed fan film? Best case scenario, they make no profit for the investors. Worst case scenario, they're sued by a major studio with legions of litigators.

Alec has been in the industry, and is partnering with studio professionals to make Axanar. Presumably he'd have started with making a for-profit film before getting into fan films.
As to how much experience, and what level of funding he'd be able to attract from seed investors; I have no idea, it was just a thought on how to fund a fan film without having to crowdfund the studio startup costs as well.

 

[Jedman67]

I think i'm well justified in complaining about his cat blogging.

Your complaining about the cat blogging is actually amusing.

Spoiler: Axanar Blog

http://www.axanarproductions.com/captains-log-october-5-8th-2015
His fluffiness

Boomer
Diana’s boycat Boomer is doing well and celebrated his 9th birthday on October 6th. Happy Birthday Boomer!

^for example...

 

[Karzak]

I think i'm well justified in complaining about his cat blogging.

Your complaining about the cat blogging is actually amusing.

I try. I hope the post office will accept this bag of sardines i'm mailing Alec.

What investor is going to fork over money for a production facility being started by someone with literally no professional production experience?

By the same coin, what investor would fork over money to a production facility that plans to start by making an unlicensed fan film? Best case scenario, they make no profit for the investors. Worst case scenario, they're sued by a major studio with legions of litigators.

Alec has been in the industry,

Appearing in New Voyages and two short films does not constitute "being in the industry." The majority of Peters' work is, in fact, in or tangentially related to, the fan film he himself is producing.

Right now, at most he is an aspiring hopeful trying to break his way in, just like the other 9 million people in L.A. trying to do the same. Peters is just doing so using IP that doesn't belong to him.

 

[Jedman67]

*shrug* It's what i vaguely recall from previous blog posts about the production.

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

Your complaining about the cat blogging is actually amusing.

I try. I hope the post office will accept this bag of sardines i'm mailing Alec.

What investor is going to fork over money for a production facility being started by someone with literally no professional production experience?

By the same coin, what investor would fork over money to a production facility that plans to start by making an unlicensed fan film? Best case scenario, they make no profit for the investors. Worst case scenario, they're sued by a major studio with legions of litigators.

Alec has been in the industry,

Appearing in New Voyages and two short films does not constitute "being in the industry." The majority of Peters' work is, in fact, in or tangentially related to, the fan film he himself is producing.

Right now, at most he is an aspiring hopeful trying to break his way in, just like the other 9 million people in L.A. trying to do the same. Peters is just doing so using IP that doesn't belong to him.

Exactly... The Axanar Kickstarter was a fundraiser to make a fan film, that was later retconned into creating Ares Studios. When you look at the Kickstarter through the Wayback Machine, you can see retconning.

Peters used CBS IP to create a promotion piece, to raise money for a for profit venture. How the Axanerds can't see that, is just beyond me....

 

[ozzfloyd]

If we get a decent product eventually I could not care less how they've spent the funds.

 

[Barbreader]

First off, what percentage of fanfilms ever finish/release on their announced schedule?

Star Trek Continues has been pretty good about this. That seems to be in part because they wait until the film is almost complete to announce a release date. Most fan productions simply avoid posting release dates at all. Suddenly ZOOM, it pops up on one of the many automatic tracking feeds I set up... and I pass it along to anyone who decided that they want to watch Star Trek Fan Films but not to devote their lives to following their production. Aside from the notable exception of STC, and the workaround at least half of fan films follow (you can't give the wrong date if you give no date) I would say it's clearly (and yes, I track this specifically but not statistically) less than 10 percent, possibly less than 5 percent that announce release dates long in advance and strick with their original date.

I am not emotionally or financially invested in this project at all.

I will say that, to me, the vignettes released so far are least as good as anything we ever got on "Enterprise" (be that as it may ).

Kor

I donated, but not so much that I'd feel deeply cheated if CBS issues a C&D letter, or if the whole thing just tanked. I saved more than I donated by not buying lottery tickets and not having a cable subscription. I regard a fan film donation similar to buying a lottery ticket. Not likely to pay off, but fun if it does.

For what it's worth, I don't know where I read it, but I did understand that the second Kickstarter (after the Prelude one) was for building a set and studio. When it was so much higher than originally set out, I hoped they would use it for the film rather than upping the budget, but I realized that might not be what happened.

What will be will be. If they ever do produce a film, I'm supposed to get it on Blu-ray. If they don't... well, we tried. I don't follow all the blogs and comments and updates. I am mostly interested in watching films when they are released. I am appreciating the Axanar reviews of older fan films. I just wish they hadn't called it Fan Film Friday. Randy Hall used to also review fan films and also called it Fan Film Friday.

Even with a cut of $100K their budget is a multiple of their original estimate.

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

First off, what percentage of fanfilms ever finish/release on their announced schedule?

Star Trek Continues has been pretty good about this. That seems to be in part because they wait until the film is almost complete to announce a release date. Most fan productions simply avoid posting release dates at all. Suddenly ZOOM, it pops up on one of the many automatic tracking feeds I set up... and I pass it along to anyone who decided that they want to watch Star Trek Fan Films but not to devote their lives to following their production. Aside from the notable exception of STC, and the workaround at least half of fan films follow (you can't give the wrong date if you give no date) I would say it's clearly (and yes, I track this specifically but not statistically) less than 10 percent, possibly less than 5 percent that announce release dates long in advance and strick with their original date.

Star Trek Continues, has seemed to have found a rhythm that works for them... two shoots, two episodes per year.... they premier them at CONs so the release date, seems to be announced after the episode has been completed for the next available biggish Con...

Which makes sense....