Avenging the Whales...

[fireproof78]

You are making my point that Star Fleet better worry once that probe/drone informs its home world about the dire straights whales are in on earth. Think, once they compare their earlier scans of earth with the scans from the probe/drone they will see a planet had a mass extinction invent with so many animals species missing from the early scans. They may conclude humans are an invasive species that must be stamp out. They may conclude humans must be wiped out throughout the galaxy. So Star Fleet and UFP fans be worried real worried...

That's not how it should work. You don't run around shooting people based upon worry.

 

[oberth]

I just playing into the lore plus this event was hundred plus years before DS9... So maybe section 31 could not identify xiniti species with a tricorder at that time...



You are making my point that Star Fleet better worry once that probe/drone informs its home world about the dire straights whales are in on earth. Think, once they compare their earlier scans of earth with the scans from the probe/drone they will see a planet had a mass extinction invent with so many animals species missing from the early scans. They may conclude humans are an invasive species that must be stamp out. They may conclude humans must be wiped out throughout the galaxy. So Star Fleet and UFP fans be worried real worried...



I always felt if the Aztecs had met the conquistadors on the beach things may have been different...

1. nope, the xindi are ent not ds9 and ent is before tos, isn't it?
2. i'm certainly not making your point

That's not how it should work. You don't run around shooting people based upon worry.

us foreign policy since forever

 

[fireproof78]

us foreign policy since forever

Star Trek isn't the US. So, no, that's not how Star Trek should work, to clarify.

This isn't the place to discuss US Foreign policy.

 

[oberth]

Star Trek isn't the US. So, no, that's not how Star Trek should work, to clarify.

This isn't the place to discuss US Foreign policy.

okay

 

[Maurice]

Star Trek isn't the US. So, no, that's not how Star Trek should work, to clarify.

This isn't the place to discuss US Foreign policy.

Who was discussing it? It was a cynical observation.

 

[oberth]

Who was discussing it? It was a cynical observation.

a factual observation, but we're not talking that, right?

 

[Mojochi]

I dunno. Seems pretty clear that it had no interest in anything other than its mission.

We don't get any indication that it even notices that it's being followed or scanned.

^This. It's completely possible that every effect which occurred because of the probe was entirely passive in intent, despite the effects being unintentionally detrimental. All that probe did was send out a signal over many lightyears (to Earth whales) & when it started getting no response, it brought that signal to Earth, a signal so powerful, it might've been the singular reason why starships & stations in its vicinity were suffering power failure, & its sonic nature might've been the cause of the effect on the oceans it was directed at. There needn't have been anything more to it than that

 

[David cgc]

^This. It's completely possible that every effect which occurred because of the probe was entirely passive in intent, despite the effects being unintentionally detrimental. All that probe did was send out a signal over many lightyears (to Earth whales) & when it started getting no response, it brought that signal to Earth, a signal so powerful, it might've been the singular reason why starships & stations in its vicinity were suffering power failure, & its sonic nature might've been the cause of the effect on the oceans it was directed at. There needn't have been anything more to it than that

Yeah, the Probe wasn't getting an answer, so it just kept repeating itself, louder and closer.

Now, that's a cynical observation on American foreign policy!

 

[publiusr]

Depending on what version of PROBE you go with—I thought the device was damaged. Lots of innocent land animal life was threatened besides humans. I don’t think the probe makers were that callous

 

[Mojochi]

We need not consider the probe makers callous just because it did what it did, functioning normally, just indifferent or more likely imho... oblivious. Plenty of lifeforms, even ourselves, play a part in indiscriminately & obliviously eradicating other lifeforms all the time. I liken this situation to Picard's defense of the Crystaline Entity. It's just out there doing its thing, & maybe others face destruction because of it, without it having that willful intent

 

[Ferengi Prime 5]

I postulate the drone/probe was sent by species ten-c but it seems to have forgotten about the whales on earth. When their mining operation almost destroyed earth...

 

[fireproof78]

I postulate the drone/probe was sent by species ten-c but it seems to have forgotten about the whales on earth. When their mining operation almost destroyed earth...

Or, there was a new generation who didn't care as much do to almost dying.

 

[McCoy's Disco Collar]

^This. It's completely possible that every effect which occurred because of the probe was entirely passive in intent, despite the effects being unintentionally detrimental. All that probe did was send out a signal over many lightyears (to Earth whales) & when it started getting no response, it brought that signal to Earth, a signal so powerful, it might've been the singular reason why starships & stations in its vicinity were suffering power failure, & its sonic nature might've been the cause of the effect on the oceans it was directed at. There needn't have been anything more to it than that

It's pretty clear that was the filmmakers' intent. Even stated as much in dialogue.

 

[MarkusTay]

You would think at least one other uber-powerful species (take your pick - ST has hundreds) would have gotten a little ticked-off with Whales SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS and destroying crap as they made their way across the galaxy. Thats like your neighbors driving across your lawn because its easier for them to get to their driveway that way. The only message I got from that movie is that Whales are bad people and we should get rid of them ASAP.

EDIT: Now I want to see a Borg-Whale!!!

 

[Worf factor9]

Yeah, the Probe wasn't getting an answer

Depending on what version of PROBE

 

[Kor]

We need not consider the probe makers callous just because it did what it did, functioning normally, just indifferent or more likely imho... oblivious. Plenty of lifeforms, even ourselves, play a part in indiscriminately & obliviously eradicating other lifeforms all the time. I liken this situation to Picard's defense of the Crystaline Entity. It's just out there doing its thing, & maybe others face destruction because of it, without it having that willful intent

^This. It's completely possible that every effect which occurred because of the probe was entirely passive in intent, despite the effects being unintentionally detrimental. All that probe did was send out a signal over many lightyears (to Earth whales) & when it started getting no response, it brought that signal to Earth, a signal so powerful, it might've been the singular reason why starships & stations in its vicinity were suffering power failure, & its sonic nature might've been the cause of the effect on the oceans it was directed at. There needn't have been anything more to it than that

Yes, the Federation President did say, "The Probe is vaporizing our oceans."

Surely they weren't purposefully destroying what they thought was still the habitat of the very species they were attempting to communicate with.

Kor

 

[Herbert]

We all know the Star Trek movie The Voyage Home. Where the whales are brought forward in time to save earth from an alien probe from vaporizing the oceans. I bet you once the probe returns home or sent home the information about earth. These aliens would read the information and figure out quite quickly these new sentient species(man) on the planet genocide their allies/friends the whales. I bet these aliens would be sending a war fleet of starships to avenge their allies/friends the whales. I would not feel to smug in the Star Trek universe for doom is coming. Maybe we track the probe back to its home world and send our fleet of Starships to glaze the world.

 

[Herbert]

Maybe we should nuke the whales because, you know, we gotta nuke something

 

[Worf factor9]

Maybe we should nuke the whales because, you know, we gotta nuke something

Stolen, thx.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

Here's a wrinkle... what if, in the original timeline, George and Gracie were actually the exact pair of humpback whales that were needed to ensure the continued existence of the species, and their sudden disappearance was what led to the humpbacks to be hunted to extinction because the population was already small due to no offspring from those two?

Kor

You just blew my mind. I don't know how that never occurred to me.