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Spoilers Avengers: Endgame grade and discussion thread

How do you rate Avengers: Endgame?


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Because if you know any character who dies will just come back you stop caring if they die.

It’s not the character’s death it cheapens, it’s all future deaths. The next death scene will have zero impact if we know in the back of our minds death is a temporary inconvenience.
That's a good point, I hadn't really thought about that.
 
Agents of SHIELD has shown there are consequences of having people come back to life from time travel. I wonder if they’ll pick up on that in the future movies.
 
I've heard a whole lot of Leftovers comparisons, which of course makes sense, but, having never seen the show, I have a hard time imagining how a mere 2% population snap could be dramatic enough to sustain a whole series. One out of every 50 people suddenly disappearing would be shocking and unsettling, no doubt about it, but hardly a fundamental threat to economies and society the way Thanos' 50% (or even a 20% disappearance) would be?
Without giving away too much, it works because the show focuses on a small community and how those people in particular are deeply affected by the sudden loss of friends and family. The show does touch on some of the global aspects, but the main focus is on the individual level and that's what makes the show so damn powerful. I hope you give it a try.
 
I wouldn’t worry about businesses losing their workforces. Most jobs can be done by the Iron Legion. The real problem comes five years later, when all these resurrected people want to go back to work but their jobs have been eliminated by machines.
Uh, Tony isn't exactly known for sharing his tech with the rest of the world...

Without giving away too much, it works because the show focuses on a small community and how those people in particular are deeply affected by the sudden loss of friends and family.
So are those 2% not random/closely concentrated in this community? Because again, losing 1/50 people doesn't strike me as particularly cataclysmic - the 1918 flu epidemic killed an estimated 3-5% of the world's population, and is now remembered as a historical footnote, at most. Granted, that was an explicable mass death, but still...
 
Uh, Tony isn't exactly known for sharing his tech with the rest of the world...
Share, shmare. He replaces half the world’s workforce with robots that answer to him and FRIDAY, and he basically owns the world.

I agree that Tony would be Tony and would not give up control of the Legion. Most businesses will still have little choice but to use them.
 
Share, shmare. He replaces half the world’s workforce with robots that answer to him and FRIDAY, and he basically owns the world.
The whole need for an Ultron program was always pretty vague, considering how intelligent Jarvis was, but surely processing power was a significant factor? As in, Jarvis could oversee a handful of suits, but not a global security force?

Also, I don't recall any indication that Tony allows his tech to roam around unsupervised, as it were. If he had bots supporting the world economy (never mind the resources and production requirements therein), they'd be susceptible to sabotage and theft. Moreover, I don't think Endgame gave any indication his tech was doing anything like what you're suggesting.
 
It's apparent that 5 years later, the world is still in shock. After one half of the world's population disappeared, the rest of us would have extreme PTSD.

That's what I saw onscreen. A marginally functional society, trying to recover from an inexplicable, catastrophic event.

It's hard to say how a random loss of half of the population would affect society, because it's random. Not every segment of society would necessarily lose half, because by design it is a random selection. Not natural selection, just random.

Darwin's rotted corpse head is exploding right now. :techman:
 
The conditions of the world wouldn't be just due to the 50% that got dusted alone, there's also the rioting, war, suicides and deaths that resulted from the collapsed infrastructure that would've decimated the remaining 50%.
 
The conditions of the world wouldn't be just due to the 50% that got dusted alone, there's also the rioting, war, suicides and deaths that resulted from the collapsed infrastructure that would've decimated the remaining 50%.
Indeed. That dude at the support group must have been pretty well-off to afford a restaurant first date - surely most folks would be back to boardinghouse/pub meals. With all those job vacancies, who's going to want to be a waiter?!
 
Still would have seen more of this post snap world. Can’t have been all bad. Traffic would be better I suppose. Especially in LA. It’s just atrocious there.
 
Still would have seen more of this post snap world. Can’t have been all bad. Traffic would be better I suppose. Especially in LA. It’s just atrocious there.
Just think of all the cars that were suddenly abandon on the LA freeway when the snap happened. Hell, the freeways anywhere. The automobile industry would probably go bankrupt simply because there are suddenly so many vehicles just sitting there that can just be driven away. Remember all the abandoned boats sitting in the water around the statue of liberty? Now think of all the cars.
 
Just think of all the cars that were suddenly abandon on the LA freeway when the snap happened. Hell, the freeways anywhere. The automobile industry would probably go bankrupt simply because there are suddenly so many vehicles just sitting there that can just be driven away. Remember all the abandoned boats sitting in the water around the statue of liberty? Now think of all the cars.
I’m sure someone would have cleared them by then. :)
 
Yeah, and what was with those abandoned houses in San Francisco?! Pretty sure that real estate will be snapped right up - if you'll pardon the phrase. :p
 
The more you think about it, the more messed up Tony’s demand was. He could have had them come back five years prior, but he had to think of his bloody kid.
Which FYI, I’m sure there would be away to do that and keep his kid. It is space magic after all.
 
Still would have seen more of this post snap world. Can’t have been all bad. Traffic would be better I suppose. Especially in LA. It’s just atrocious there.
You’re about to get hit in the head with a peanut butter sandwich.
 
Indeed. That dude at the support group must have been pretty well-off to afford a restaurant first date - surely most folks would be back to boardinghouse/pub meals. With all those job vacancies, who's going to want to be a waiter?!
Just think of all the cars that were suddenly abandon on the LA freeway when the snap happened. Hell, the freeways anywhere. The automobile industry would probably go bankrupt simply because there are suddenly so many vehicles just sitting there that can just be driven away. Remember all the abandoned boats sitting in the water around the statue of liberty? Now think of all the cars.

I'm getting flashbacks to King's "The Stand" now as well in Post-Superflu America.

Steve did admit that the environment had become cleaner as a result though, more animals and presumably cleaner air and water.
 
I’s be interested in seeing what happens for people returned from the snap.

First, what happened to people who disappeared from airplanes? Did they reappear six miles in the Sky?

But more mundanely, what about finances? All disappeared people had their money and property redistributed to their closest surviving kin. Do they have to give all of it back? What’s if some spent it, or refused? Imagine the potential lawsuits! Also all these people are unemployed. There’s probably lots of job openings but not the same jobs, it’ll take a decade for unemployment to drop from 50% back to normal levels.

And what about parents of babies who are now 6, were raised by someone else and don’t remember their parents? The kids only know the ones who raised them, who has legal right to keep them?!
 
Steve did admit that the environment had become cleaner as a result though, more animals and presumably cleaner air and water.

Maybe more animals in relation to humans than there had been, but not more animals, total. "All living things," remember. That, and their first indication that they'd successfully undone the snap was that there were suddenly more birds around.
 
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