Kind of ironic though that the people that have a problem with it seem to be men rather than women.
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Kind of ironic though that the people that have a problem with it seem to be men rather than women.
I don't understand why you're going to lengths with these suggestions when the visual and audio cues directly support the idea that Tony's snap simply killed all of them, just as Thanos did originally.
As I thought I said, just killing them eliminates huge portions of the MCU onward from ever happening as Thanos comes from a moment before the stones were taken, but as another poster said, the timeline diverges when the first stone is taken. I said I liked that idea.
Yes I would, It would be just as weird, because the men were fighting all over the place. Like i said many times before, I DON'T care if they are man or female or whatever race they are, like in IW they did it great with black widow, Scarlet witch and I believe Okoye fighting together.
But in this case they were fighting all over the battle and to come stand together just to look cool was a little bit too much.
Of they wanted to do such a stand they could better do it at the start of the battle.
That doesn't mean I don't like woman or think less about them
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I went and saw it with a female friend and she HATED the female avengers scene. She thought it was pandering and patronising. I wasn't a fan of it either. The problem i had was here are all these female characters defending a woman who just blew up a gigantic starship by herself. Captain Marvel, clearly doesn't need help which made the scene feel contrived. We both absolutely loved the way it was done in Infinity war though. In fact i'd dare say Okoye and Black Widow vs Proxima Midnight is one of my favourite parts of IW.
So what I'm hearing is that the men were all over the place and the women were organised. That sounds about right actually.
Do I like the fact that Captain Marvel is so powerful? No. But then I feel the same way about Superman and Supergirl.
Women are entitled to hate the scene just as men are entitled to approve. That's equality right there folks.
We’re discussing a movie that had more pandering, fanboyish moments than any three other MCU movies combined and this one moment is the one people choose to whine about?
It’s a movie about the aftermath a giant purple thug from outer space who gets magic rocks which, by a snap of his fingers, destroys half of the galactic population. There are witches and wizards, giant hulks, radioactive spiders that turn people into superheroes, micro arc reactors, suits that can shrink you or grow you as small or large as can be, supersoldiers, time travel, a Norse god and a fucking tree and raccoon that can talk. And people are whining about the realism of multiple women from a large battle coming together for one moment in a MOVIE?
REALLY?!?
For fuck’s sake, people, get some perspective. You lost the right to whine about realism and pandering the moment you bought a ticket.
It’s a movie about the aftermath a giant purple thug from outer space who gets magic rocks which, by a snap of his fingers, destroys half of the galactic population. There are witches and wizards, giant hulks, radioactive spiders that turn people into superheroes, micro arc reactors, suits that can shrink you or grow you as small or large as can be, supersoldiers, time travel, a Norse god and a fucking tree and raccoon that can talk. And people are whining about the realism of multiple women from a large battle coming together for one moment in a MOVIE?
REALLY?!?
For fuck’s sake, people, get some perspective. You lost the right to whine about realism and pandering the moment you bought a ticket.
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To be fair, I thought the entire movie was hot garbage with multiple cringe inducing moments both male and female.
You mean it wasn't about female empowerment? I wondered why there was a raccoon in it.
racoon empowerment
Having finally got around to watching Endgame, here are my thoughts.
Pros:
Good send off for Iron Man and Cap
Sam Wilson rather than crazy Bucky will be the new Captain America
We got to see Clint Barton as Ronin
Time Travel
Cons:
Reborn Gamora is from 2014 thereby undermining years of character development
Black Widow dies (apparently she viewed herself as the thing she loved the most she had to sacrifice to get the soul stone)
Spider-Man keeps unmasking and announcing he's Peter Parker
Captain Marvel's haircut
The way Hulk/Banner and Thor were depicted which was to make them appear silly for laughs
Thor's whole film arc
WTF:
Where did old man Captain America get the new shield from considering it was destroyed in the battle with Thanos?
Why did Doctor Strange say to Stark he couldn't tell him if this was the one version of events he saw where they would be successful as it wouldn't work only for moments later to raise his finger to indicate it was the one version, leading to Stark to grab the Infinity Gauntlet?
Pros:
Good send off for Iron Man and Cap
Sam Wilson rather than crazy Bucky will be the new Captain America
We got to see Clint Barton as Ronin
Time Travel
Cons:
Reborn Gamora is from 2014 thereby undermining years of character development
Black Widow dies (apparently she viewed herself as the thing she loved the most she had to sacrifice to get the soul stone)
Spider-Man keeps unmasking and announcing he's Peter Parker
Captain Marvel's haircut
The way Hulk/Banner and Thor were depicted which was to make them appear silly for laughs
Thor's whole film arc
WTF:
Where did old man Captain America get the new shield from considering it was destroyed in the battle with Thanos?
Why did Doctor Strange say to Stark he couldn't tell him if this was the one version of events he saw where they would be successful as it wouldn't work only for moments later to raise his finger to indicate it was the one version, leading to Stark to grab the Infinity Gauntlet?
Plenty of options to choose from depending on how you choose to interpret the time travel rules. He has had an entire lifetime between two scenes to make it happen after all. The simplest are probably:
A) He's had secret dealings with Wakanda in the past.
Or B) It came from an alternate timeline.
He seemed to be trying to get Stark's eye on the ball so he doesn't get distracted or overconfidant.
You shouldn't do it with any character that has a long established history. All you accomplish is alienating the fanbase. What they are doing now in the MCU works much better. Steve Rogers passed the shield to Falcon so now he will be the new Captain America. That works much better than changing Steve Rogers, a character that has been around since the 40s.
Curious--which scene(s) did you see as being fanboyish in nature?
Now that's an interesting way of describing Thanos.
Wow.
Yeah never thought I would feel that way about a marvel movie. But there you go.
The way Thor and Hulk/Banner were depicted was certainly incredibly cringe inducing. Thor turning into a beer bellied alcoholic for killing a monster like Thanos seemed very contrived and out of character and done just so he could have an arc in the movie and some challenge to overcome. Making Thor a figure of ridicule was worth it though apparently.
And it was huge disappointment we never got to see the proper Hulk (apart from the time travel scene).
The treatment of Thor was one of things that pissed me off most about the movie. The guy is broken, suffering from trauma from losing everything and everyone he loves and on a complete downward spiral and it's played for laughs. There are hints of how much pain Thor is in, but hey lets brush that aside to have jokey, fat Thor fall asleep
Let’s see:
- Professor Hulk
- Any of the time travel sequences, particularly when they re-enter scenes from old movies and the cameos
- The bit recreating the elevator scene in Winter Soldier
- The final battle. Not just one segment. The entire thing.
- The funeral
- Sam getting the shield
- Peggy and Cap dancing at the end
And for the record, I loved the movie. But I honestly get sick of people trying to make huge deal out of little moments. I’m a white, cisgender, heterosexual male. I thought the moment with the women fighting was nice. I thought the moment in Infinity War was better executed, but I didn’t have a problem with this one.
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