Spoilers Avengers: Endgame grade and discussion thread

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How do you rate Avengers: Endgame?

  1. A+

    35.1%
  2. A

    28.8%
  3. A-

    16.2%
  4. B+

    9.9%
  5. B

    4.7%
  6. B-

    1.0%
  7. C+

    1.0%
  8. C

    1.6%
  9. C-

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. D+

    0.5%
  11. D

    0.5%
  12. D-

    0 vote(s)
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  13. F

    0.5%
  1. Possum on the Hearth

    Possum on the Hearth Having an Awesome Possum Holiday Moderator

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    A long argument that ended in Red Skull saying No Refunds and Cap demanding to see his manager.
     
  2. Guy Gardener

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    Loki was never taken back to Asgard in chains in the first Avengers movie. So how a few of them stil wound up in a human fishing village as refugees is a colossal mystery.
     
  3. .:: TSN ::.

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    Done right and with the right actor Doom could be the next Loki. One criticism of MCU at least in the beginning was always the lack of memorable villains.
     
  4. Possum on the Hearth

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    I'm going to dream tonight about a village of Lokis.
     
  5. Grendelsbayne

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    He was, though. Tony's explanation of time travel was pretty clear. You can't change your past. Period. Therefore, either the Loki that escaped isn't part of Endgame's past (alternate timeline whatsitorother) or Loki always escaped, 'impersonated Captain America to steal the sceptre and fight the real Cap', and was always recaptured, with the cube, in time to be dragged back to Asgard by Thor as seen in Avengers 1.
     
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    Changing the past does not change the present. Only creates alternate timelines. That's how time travel supposedly works in the movie. So not taking Loki to Asgard doesn't change the present village.

    Of course the question remains on how the past Loki could potentially travel to the current timeline. Would it be possible to somehow hitchhike through the Quantum Realm with Ant-Man?
     
  7. Gov Kodos

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  8. Guy Gardener

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    Then how did Cap end up an old man in the present?
     
  9. Possum on the Hearth

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    How do we know he didn’t always do that? Peggy was mentioned having a husband who fought in WWII, we just never learned who he was.
     
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  10. Guy Gardener

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    I think that the plural is "Lokies".
     
  11. Guy Gardener

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    When was the TV show set?

    When did he rekindle with Peggy?

    It was 1970 when they stole the cube, but I feel that he went back to the 50s or earlier considering the look of the neighborhood she lived in.
     
  12. Guy Gardener

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    The Ancient one told Bruce that Tony got the science wrong.
     
  13. Possum on the Hearth

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    It was right after the war, Cap may have gone to some point after that because they’re together by the 50s. Old Peggy seems to have kids in photos, but none of a husband.
     
  14. Grendelsbayne

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    No she didn't. She said removing the stones would split realities and that the 'prime' reality (for lack of a better word and seeing as this is a ST board) would not encounter problems from removing the stones. Only the alternate reality created by the action would feel the effects of the stones being removed. Ergo, the Avengers may have risked creating a different world with a terrible fate - but their own past was always safe, no matter what they did. Because you can't change what's already happened in your past.
     
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  15. Gov Kodos

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    He could have returned to the Avengers present after Peggy died. He lived out life with her in an alternate timeline and returned to this one with the shield for Falcon.
     
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  16. Possum on the Hearth

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    He would’ve gone to the pad though and Bucky seemed to know, so I think the implication is that he was always there. Peggy was a secret agent, keeping this secret would be nothing to her.
     
  17. thribs

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    Yeah. The serum is supposed to slowdown his aging.
    I thought what he did at the end was rather dickish of him. Wasn’t he dating Sharon? He also just abandoned everyone so he could live with her.
     
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  18. Timelord Victorious

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    But Peggy died relatively recent during civil war. That was not thaaat long before Infinity War.
    And for all we know, that time around old Steve might have been dusted during the last five years.
     
  19. Agony_Boothb

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    Technically he was gone for all of 30 seconds and the creation of an alternate reality where Cap lives a quiet life didn't have any affect on the 'prime' reality. Until he shows up for dramatic effect to give Sam the shield and NOTHING to Bucky. It's like only giving one of your kids a christmas present
     
  20. Gov Kodos

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    I sure don't know. Looking at the old Peggy scene, her husband isn't in any of the photos, I don't think. In fact nothing contradicts her husband being Cap since she avoids naming him. Adds something to those 'None of us can go back' and that 'I lived a life and my only regret is you didn't get to live yours' lines. It's like Time After Time and that 'Come back to me' moment.
     
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