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Avatar the Last Airbender Season 3 Discussion

Re: New Avatar the Last Airbender tonight!!! (09/21/2007)

My current theory about Zuko is that he knew full well why Azula lied and inflated his role in 'killing' Aang before he ever confronted her. He knows his sister. I'd place my money on him playing the part of a nervous returnee, once again a pawn in Azula's mind-games. But he is not the boy he was three years ago, as she may soon learn.
 
Re: New Avatar the Last Airbender tonight!!! (09/21/2007)

Does Azula have reason to suspect that Aang survived? Maybe she was just covering her bases. If Aang lives, Zuko gets the blame. If Aang is dead, then Zuko gets glory, but Azula has enough glory of her own after conquering Ba Sing Se that she can afford to spread it around a little -- especially since helping Zuko redeem himself puts him in her debt.

And I have to thank the makers of the show for giving us Azula in a bedroom scene of sorts. There are limits to how sexy they could make her in a kids' show, but they pushed those limits effectively.
 
Re: New Avatar the Last Airbender tonight!!! (09/21/2007)

I think that in that scene with Zuko feeding the turtle ducks, Azula came to suspect that Aang's survival is a possibility. What you said is correct. She thinks her actions and words through. My gut tells me that Zuko may no longer be as far behind her as he once was. Maybe on some level, Iroh wants him to gain the control from this acting job that his training could never show him.

A guess, no sites or insider info, just a guess : Azula plans to kill her father, and frame Zuko for it. Azula may in effect become the FL that Aang has to face. She may even know about the eclipse, and plans to use it in her scheme.
 
Re: New Avatar the Last Airbender tonight!!! (09/21/2007)

I actually didn't expect Azula to come back to the Fire Nation, I thought she was setting herself up as a ruler of the Earth Nation at the end of last season, but killing off her Father would fit. Isn't that what her own Father did? He tried to get Azulon to name him heir over Iroh who was eldest and then Azulon mysteriously died and on his deathbed (with only Ozai present) named Ozai the heir over Iroh.

The keeping Zuko around as a fallguy is a pretty crafty plan though. Even with him restored to honor everyone knows he was branded an outcast before and what his Father did to him so it would be easy to accept him as with motive to kill.

Aang still hasn't learned fire-bending, what if the teacher turns out to be Zuko who has to join up with them in an attempt to overthrow his sister.
 
Re: New Avatar the Last Airbender tonight!!! (09/21/2007)

FreezeC77 said:
Nice way to kick-off season 3 although Sokka really covered a lot of stuff in his explanation of what happened after Aang was struck down by that lightning blast from Azula. Is season 3 the last season for the show? I always assumed since each book/season was named after an element there would be 4 since we've had season 1(water), season 2(earth) and season 3 is fire. But that could just correspond to what Aang was learning and he already knows air.

Zuko how far have you fallen, ehhh Mai? lol. Should have stayed on the run and hooked up with that bounty hunter chick.

My guess is Season 4 - Air, will be about Ang searching for rumored surviving air nation people. If he finds them, great, he not the last of his kind. If he doesn't find them, he's still not alone because he's already with people closer to him than family ever could be.
 
Re: New Avatar the Last Airbender tonight!!! (09/21/2007)

My thought, which is more like than not to be dead wrong, is that if there are any Air-survivors, they are either hiding out paranoid and fearful, ala the Inhumans, or they've managed to blend in, either as 'ordinary' citizens, or as some kind of hidden power-brokers, maybe having the kind of covert influence that the FN has overtly. One question I've always had, which could help the case for hidden air-benders : Even though Aang is the only one to wield all four elements, are there those who can wield two? The answer seems not, but I've never heard any definitive onscreen answer. Aang's last battle may be against his own people's fear, which would tie in with Roku's failure to guide his people.

Or Not. ;)
 
Re: New Avatar the Last Airbender tonight!!! (09/21/2007)

I just caught the episode again, and wanted to mention how brilliant Mae Whitman's performance was when Katara came clean with her father about how hurt and abandoned she felt. That was some extraordinary acting.

And I just realized -- with Mako gone, is it possible that Iroh won't return? That he'll be executed, even?
 
Re: New Avatar the Last Airbender tonight!!! (09/21/2007)

It was known that Mako was ill when this started, so they have dialogue for him recorded up to S3. The character's fate would seem sealed by this, as well as his current condition. I still wonder if Iroh's son's death was set-up by his brother, and not merely a fortune of war.
 
Re: New Avatar the Last Airbender tonight!!! (09/21/2007)

Christopher said:
And I just realized -- with Mako gone, is it possible that Iroh won't return? That he'll be executed, even?

Actually, if you saw the little cute Avatar short that followed the episode, which was hilarious, Iroh appeared in it with a new person playing his voice and he did a spot on Mako. That makes me believe that Iroh will play a big role this season. He might even be Aang's teacher when it comes time for him to bend fire.

Oh, and the fact that Fire Lord Ozai revealed himself (pretty handsome) is an indication that this might be the last season, IMO.
 
Re: New Avatar the Last Airbender tonight!!! (09/21/2007)

I don't see why they have to kill off Iroh. They can just get another voice actor. In fact, I thought they already did. I wouldn't consider this the same as live-action recasting which I don't like at all.
Christopher said:
What "cute Avatar short"?
When the episode was done, there was a 5 minute short based on Avatar. I had to watch a download and I assumed that Nickelodeon put it on after the show. It featured Aang, Katara, Toph and Zuko each trying to show that their respective elements were the best. The voices were the same but the characters were cartoonish "miniatures" of their counterparts from the show. The whole thing had a comedic looney toons-like feel to it along with a funny ending.
 
Re: New Avatar the Last Airbender tonight!!! (09/21/2007)

I think the person they have lined up to play Iroh (I'm not sure if he had to do any extra recordings last year or not for the role) is someone who understudied under Mako for a number of years. I forget the name though.

Are those cute avatar shorts on YTV? All I saw on Nick was a preview.
 
Re: New Avatar the Last Airbender tonight!!! (09/21/2007)

Agent Richard07 said:
I don't see why they have to kill off Iroh. They can just get another voice actor. In fact, I thought they already did. I wouldn't consider this the same as live-action recasting which I don't like at all.
Christopher said:
What "cute Avatar short"?
When the episode was done, there was a 5 minute short based on Avatar. I had to watch a download and I assumed that Nickelodeon put it on after the show. It featured Aang, Katara, Toph and Zuko each trying to show that their respective elements were the best. The voices were the same but the characters were cartoonish "miniatures" of their counterparts from the show. The whole thing had a comedic looney toons-like feel to it along with a funny ending.

And better than most animated series normal output...
 
Avatar - Headband

I guess that Zuko and Uncle hadn't cooked up a plan. I am disappointed in the Zuko character. They spent two years having him go through this evolution, where he learns to be happy and stand on his own, and then wham. He's back to brooding about the Avatar, and his honor. It's like none of his journey took place.

I like what Aang tried to do at the school, but it's doubtful he's had any lasting effect on the next generation of the fire nation. It felt like a contrived way to get him and Katara to share a moment.

I'm hoping for better next week.
 
Re: Avatar - Headband

"Claudius, exaggerate your stutter..."

Its not much of a stretch to imagine that Azula is having Zuko watched and listened to. Perhaps part of Zuko's act is to keep on playing the confused boy he was when he left. If this theory is correct, then perhaps the act is the equivalent of emotional control training, the kind Zuko needs to lightning bend.

It just seems odd that a creative team this good would simply bail on his evolution.
 
Re: Avatar - Headband

I don't think they've bailed on Zuko's growth. I think they've realistically portrayed the fact that sometimes people make the wrong choices and sabotage themselves, or fall back into old patterns and temptations despite the desire to change.

But I think this is just the next step on Zuko's journey toward ultimate redemption. His experiences last season laid the groundwork, but they weren't enough when he was faced with the fulfillment of all his desires. When offered that, he succumbed to temptation. Now he has what he's wanted, and he's finding it hollow -- he's still under Azula's thumb, his beloved Uncle won't even speak to him, and he just generally feels lost and confused. At this point, he's assuming that getting rid of the Avatar once and for all will solve his problems, but of course it won't. And I think that eventually he's going to have to realize that he made the wrong choice, and that's when we'll see the payoff of his growth.

After all, once Ozai is defeated, someone's going to have to rule the Fire Nation and put it back on the right track. And Iroh's too old for that. So I don't think we can count Zuko out yet as a redeemable or complex character.
 
How did I miss this thread last week?

I've seen on a number of sites, although never straight from the creators, that there will only be three seasons, there won't be an "Air" season, and that the story was plotted out years before they got a chance to create the series. Who knows, you have a hit show with game spinoffs, comics, figurines, etc, they'll be tempted to do a spinoff though.

I was floored last season when Zuko turned bad, not because it didn't make sense, but because the writers totally sucked me in, thinking he'd taken the fork in the road. I think the idea of "Crossroads of Destiny", both for Zuko and for Ang, is going to take them in directions they never expected. They made choices in that episode and there will be repercussions.

Zuko chose to seek his destiny following the path of the Empire. It won't turn out the way he expects, but by choosing not to stay in his uncle's tea shop, he has chosen to stay in the thick of the conflict. I trust that he will eventually see the folly of following his sister, and she HAS to go down, and Zuko will hopefully find the light and take over as emperor.

I'd thought last season that putting the Earth King back on the throne would actually be a fairly simple matter. Ba Sing Se runs itself, changing the figurehead back should just be a matter of tossing Azula on her butt. Looks like it won't happen soon, but when the time comes it still shouldn't take too long.

Azula is a great villain, better every episode. Completely sociopathic, and Zuko should realize not to believe a word that comes out of her mouth. But he does. He's now seeing that getting what he wanted hasn't given him anything he wanted. He's been her pawn, he's still her pawn, he'll never be a man until he breaks free of her.

'The Awakening' wasn't so much my favourite Ang episode, but I can see how we needed to see him struggle with the change in paths, and the direction of their journey is going to be very different now. Will Iroh escape and train Ang in Firebending like I've always believed he would? It doesn't look so certain to me now. But he still needs a fire master. Unless the finale is going to end the cycle, and begin a new world of some kind, then he doesn't need to follow the 'rules' at all.

Jump to Episode 2, 'The Headband', this was a light hearted ep that we haven't seen for a while, and meanwhile we find out where Iroh is and how Zuko is coping with his situation. Oh Zuko, when will you learn? Azula is manipulating you to do exactly what she wants. She is your enemy, how can you not see it? But you're too close. Iroh is doing exactly the right thing, despite how it pains him. Had he tried to 'teach' or help Zuko at this point, he'd only be giving him enough emotional support to enable him to stay on his ill-found path.

Ang and Katara, sitting in a tree, K I S S I N G. I love watching them, and frankly I can't think of a TV romance that didn't turn me off a show up until now. I like these two together, makes me feel like a kid again.
 
Re: Avatar - Headband

Even if Zuko's current stance were 'all an act', say, with facial gestures from Iroh being signals, he would still be up against temptation in all this. For right now, though, it seems like he's gotten everything he ever wanted, and learned the rest of that phrase.

I won't posit that he's suddenly found brilliance. But I will hold out hope that his betrayal of Iroh is in fact part of a plan Iroh himself cooked up. This appears highly unlikely right now, but we've 18 eps to go, and at least 8 straight weeks of uninterrupted new eps for now.

I think dodging a Book Four would be a bad idea. One thing these epics never do is show how the world deals after the big fight is done, and I think this show could really do it right. One thought I had was that the remaining Air Nation peoples have hidden themselves, becoming kind of an Illuminati, wielding power behind the scenes, not always for the common good.
 
LaxScrutiny said:
I'd thought last season that putting the Earth King back on the throne would actually be a fairly simple matter. Ba Sing Se runs itself, changing the figurehead back should just be a matter of tossing Azula on her butt. Looks like it won't happen soon, but when the time comes it still shouldn't take too long.

I wouldn't say that. Remember, the turncoat Dai Li forces working for Azula tore down the walls of Ba Sing Se. So it isn't going to be as isolated and self-contained anymore, not as neatly regulated. They're in for some massive changes.


By the way, this time I caught the mini-cartoon that came after the show. And I kind of wish I hadn't.
 
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