Autopilot not functioning ... Who Cares?

[SalvorHardin]

You assume 60 or so seconds are enough to reach a shuttle and get it out of the hangar bay, you have no clue if there are any shuttles left, which there aren't most likely with 800 people having to escape a few minutes back, you assume that even if there was a shuttle he would be able to reach a minimum safe distance from the Narada-Kelvin explosion within 60 or 120 or 180 seconds and not get vaporized anyway etc etc etc etc

Kirk knows there is no time or capability for escapes any more, so he says his goodbyes in the last minute of life he has.

You are making this up just as well as I do, so your ideas are not any more valid than mine. But thanks anyway.

Actually my ideas are more valid because I'm not "making this up".
They are based on what is shown on screen and what can also be easily inferred from what is shown on screen.
It would be nice for some if movies spoon fed us every little thing but that's not how it works and it's not really needed.

60 seconds are also long enough for a shuttle to beam him aboard. I mean they transported from Titan to Earth, and from Delta Vega onto an Enterprise moving at warp speed, wouldn't have been a problem then I guess. Yes, it's 30 years earlier, but they already used transporters effectively in Enterprise, which is the only show they didn't ignore.

The shuttles of the Kelvin have no transporters of their own and the Kelvin's transporters were down more than likely.
Rememeber that nice "Systems Failing" screen flashing in Kirk's face ?
The whole ship was falling apart. We don't even know if there was a clear passage from the bridge to the transporter room.

As for your other transport examples...What can you do.
It's a shame Scotty didn't have the decency to be born decades earlier and secure a place on the Kelvin. You know, to do all that fancy transporting you mention and help Kirk senior escape.
Not to talk about Spock Prime and his contribution to the transwarp beaming without which it would be impossible

 

[M'Sharak]

[Post deleted. Salvor has already covered what I was going to say.]

 

[gimpy117]

could it be that he did that to make certain that the naradia couldn't just move out of the way...?

the "destroyed auto pilot" stinks of a device though...it's not like it's a large pod on top of the ship that can be blown up...it's a subroutine in the control systems most likely (assuming it's a computerized fly-by-wire style system) and if that was "destroyed" why wasn't the rest of the system shot?

 

[Cr031k]

Robau wouldn't have NEEDED autopilot. He could have glared at the Narada and caused irrepairable structural damage.

Soooooo he can do that but cant glare at a puny Romulan stabbing his Robau behind to death???

Interesting.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Robau wouldn't have NEEDED autopilot. He could have glared at the Narada and caused irrepairable structural damage.

Soooooo he can do that but cant glare at a puny Romulan stabbing his Robau behind to death???

Interesting.

They did that only because he allowed them.
He can easily retake human form any time he wishes.

 

[JarodRussell]

Actually my ideas are more valid because I'm not "making this up".
They are based on what is shown on screen and what can also be easily inferred from what is shown on screen.

No, they aren't. Because on screen it takes Robau less then a minute to get to a shuttle. And on screen Kirk is not defending the shuttles anymore for a long time frame. And inertia does the job that "autopilot" would have done. The Kelvin flies a straight line on screen. No need for an autopilot. And 30 years later they can beam across half a solar system, so I assume they would be able to beam from a shuttle to a ship in George Kirk's time easily. That is fully independent from Scotty or Spock's "formula" (that one even implies that the hardware was fully capable of transwarp beaming, all it needed was a new calculation of the coordinates).


And then again, the whole on screen argument is ridiculous for an implausible movie like this. One example: Exterior shot of the Kelvin: shuttle bay is above the bridge. Interior shot: Robau goes into the turbolift, and it goes DOWN. Wow. My ass.

The shuttles of the Kelvin have no transporters of their own and the Kelvin's transporters were down more than likely. Rememeber that nice "Systems Failing" screen flashing in Kirk's face? The whole ship was falling apart. We don't even know if there was a clear passage from the bridge to the transporter room.

Again you are making just assumptions. I on the other hand assume the passage is clear. And I assume shuttles have transporters. When is it stated in the movie that shuttles don't have a transporter, or that there isn't a clear passage? Where are you getting that information from?

the "destroyed auto pilot" stinks of a device though...it's not like it's a large pod on top of the ship that can be blown up...it's a subroutine in the control systems most likely (assuming it's a computerized fly-by-wire style system) and if that was "destroyed" why wasn't the rest of the system shot?

Exactly. Everything is computerized, so if autopilot doesn't work, something bad happened to the computer, and then, not even manual controls would work. It's like the "autodestruct offline" from Nemesis. God-awful. Just blow the damn warp core up.

 

[pookha]

as i pointed out earlier the whole inertia thing goes out of the window as soon as the kelvin gets struck with a weapon that may deflect it some unless george is still there to make any corrections.

and screen time can be almost useless in judging just how fast an action can take in real time.
we didnt see ever moment of robau's passage so we dont know how long it would take.
and as salvor noted we dont have a clue just how bad was the damage between
the bridge and the transporter room.

 

[gimpy117]

so basically the whole kelvin thing has holes you could fly the doomsday device through

and about the shuttle bay thing...you're right...what an error on their part...

basically I think the whole death of George Kirk was to find a way to make things different and to give J. Kirk a chip on his shoulder...

 

[EyalM]

If Kirk Sr could have used that last minute to get to his wife and new born son, he would have.

What do people expect? That Kirk would spend his last moments explaining why the bi-isotonic radiation is interfering with the transporters? That would be the kind of writing that got Trek to the brink of extinction.

 

[bullethead]

Didn't Kirk Sr turn on the Kelvin's warp drive right before smashing into the Narada? I'm pretty sure there was a close shot of the end of the nacelle glowing during the ramming sequence, so Kirk might have stayed behind to some weird warp crap.

 

[JarodRussell]

Yeah, the Kelvin's warp nacelle did glow up when it went to full impulse... I say it's an on screen fuck up just as the turbolift to the shuttlebay.

 

[Plecostomus]

Someone pointed out that "autopilot offline" could have been a safety function. The ship knows it is damaged beyond a certain point therefore it is prudent that someone make the final say as to flight maneuvers rather than using the pre-programmed canned flight modes.

 

[Alrik]

And on screen Kirk is not defending the shuttles anymore for a long time frame. And inertia does the job that "autopilot" would have done. The Kelvin flies a straight line on screen. No need for an autopilot.

Did we see the same movie? George was piloting the Kelvin until the very end. You might want to watch it again.

... And 30 years later they can beam across half a solar system, so I assume they would be able to beam from a shuttle to a ship in George Kirk's time easily......

....And I assume shuttles have transporters. When is it stated in the movie that shuttles don't have a transporter, or that there isn't a clear passage? Where are you getting that information from?

I'm guessing from the same place I'm getting mine. 40+ years of on screen established history. Granted, this movie takes place in an alternate timeline from trekPrime, however, it is established that the timeline makes its split at the point where the Narada attacks the Kelvin. Therefore the rules of trekPrime are still very much in play at the time in question. So NO, shuttles do not have transporters. Transporters weren't introduced on shuttles until TNG.

 

[SalvorHardin]

One example: Exterior shot of the Kelvin: shuttle bay is above the bridge. Interior shot: Robau goes into the turbolift, and it goes DOWN. Wow. My ass.

Actually: Robau goes into the turbolift --cut--> turbolift goes down to somewhere --cut--> Robau is seeing going up a long flight of stairs --cut--> Robau is seeing walking on a long corridor --cut--> Robau reaches shuttle.

Maybe the sequel will be 11 hours long so they can show in real time and full length every walk a character takes, while half the screen is covered with ship schematics.
Win

 

[MvRojo]

And then again, the whole on screen argument is ridiculous for an implausible movie like this. One example: Exterior shot of the Kelvin: shuttle bay is above the bridge. Interior shot: Robau goes into the turbolift, and it goes DOWN. Wow. My ass.

This is just dumb. Unless there's a magical, invisible turbolift tube going from the TOP of the saucer section to the shuttle bay, you HAVE to go DOWN first. It's really simple logic.

 

[SalvorHardin]

And then again, the whole on screen argument is ridiculous for an implausible movie like this. One example: Exterior shot of the Kelvin: shuttle bay is above the bridge. Interior shot: Robau goes into the turbolift, and it goes DOWN. Wow. My ass.

This is just dumb. Unless there's a magical, invisible turbolift tube going from the TOP of the saucer section to the shuttle bay, you HAVE to go DOWN first. It's really simple logic.

Well, maybe Robau being the badass he is he can go up with the turbolift, open an airlock, get out into space and float all the way to the shuttlebay.

 

[cooleddie74]

Robau wouldn't have NEEDED autopilot. He could have glared at the Narada and caused irrepairable structural damage.

Soooooo he can do that but cant glare at a puny Romulan stabbing his Robau behind to death???

Interesting.

Robau was momentarily distracted by his own incredible badassness.

Don't be a Robau Hater, yo.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Robau wouldn't have NEEDED autopilot. He could have glared at the Narada and caused irrepairable structural damage.

Soooooo he can do that but cant glare at a puny Romulan stabbing his Robau behind to death???

Interesting.

Robau was momentarily distracted by his own incredible badassness.

Don't be a Robau Hater, yo.

Becuase if you are a Robau hater Robau will come to your house and steal your trek dvds

 

[Plecostomus]

Soooooo he can do that but cant glare at a puny Romulan stabbing his Robau behind to death???

Interesting.

Robau was momentarily distracted by his own incredible badassness.

Don't be a Robau Hater, yo.

Becuase if you are a Robau hater Robau will come to your house and steal your trek dvds

God save you if you don't have TrekDVDs becuase Robau won't.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Soooooo he can do that but cant glare at a puny Romulan stabbing his Robau behind to death???

Interesting.

Robau was momentarily distracted by his own incredible badassness.

Don't be a Robau Hater, yo.

Becuase if you are a Robau hater Robau will come to your house and steal your trek dvds

I don't have any Trek dvds !!
Abrams, Orci & Kurtzman came to my house and burned them before my helpless eyes right before XI premiered

What do I do if Robau comes ??