Autopilot not functioning ... Who Cares?

[M'Sharak]

Didn't Kirk Sr turn on the Kelvin's warp drive right before smashing into the Narada? I'm pretty sure there was a close shot of the end of the nacelle glowing during the ramming sequence, so Kirk might have stayed behind to some weird warp crap.

Yeah, the Kelvin's warp nacelle did glow up when it went to full impulse... I say it's an on screen fuck up just as the turbolift to the shuttlebay.

Or perhaps it's not a fuck-up at all.

Spoiler: Spoilers

The Nero comic under discussion in this thread suggests that it was intentional and purposeful. Perhaps the warp engine was unusable as a means of escape, but not completely useless.

 

[JarodRussell]

This is just dumb. Unless there's a magical, invisible turbolift tube going from the TOP of the saucer section to the shuttle bay, you HAVE to go DOWN first. It's really simple logic.

I'm talking about the shot in the shuttlebay / engine room (and THAT is definately already in the secondary hull) and it still goes down. So there...

 

[SalvorHardin]

It's my favorite time again...

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Robau was momentarily distracted by his own incredible badassness.

Don't be a Robau Hater, yo.

Becuase if you are a Robau hater Robau will come to your house and steal your trek dvds

I don't have any Trek dvds !!
Abrams, Orci & Kurtzman came to my house and burned them before my helpless eyes right before XI premiered

What do I do if Robau comes ??

Beg for a quick death of course

 

[npsf3000]

No, they aren't. Because on screen it takes Robau less then a minute to get to a shuttle. And on screen Kirk is not defending the shuttles anymore for a long time frame.

Err, are you trying to say trek has a plot hole based on the time it takes for a person to get to the shuttles in a action movie?

While we on this point of time in movies, can you explain how come most bombs (in action movies in general) are stopped in the last 10 seconds?

Movies show perspectives, what might seem short might actually longer than what seems long.

Anyway this is defunct because:
Even if for some reason Robau could get into a shuttle in less a minute, how do you expect Kirk in a extremely damaged and abandoned ship - with (presumably) no turbo-lifts functioning, flight deck crews (to warm up shuttle), control(to help said ship out), various dangerous areas all over ship (plasma, vacuum, bio hazard) and no shuttle in the first place?

 

[gimpy117]

Or perhaps it's not a fuck-up at all.

Spoiler: Spoilers

The Nero comic under discussion in this thread suggests that it was intentional and purposeful. Perhaps the warp engine was unusable as a means of escape, but not completely useless.

but they said the warp drive was offline aftyer the first salvo took it out...unless he meant "ok it's shot but still kinda sorta works"

 

[M'Sharak]

Or perhaps it's not a fuck-up at all.

Spoiler: Spoilers

The Nero comic under discussion in this thread suggests that it was intentional and purposeful. Perhaps the warp engine was unusable as a means of escape, but not completely useless.

but they said the warp drive was offline aftyer the first salvo took it out...unless he meant "ok it's shot but still kinda sorta works"

I think he meant

Spoiler: comic spoilers

"as a functional warp drive, it's toast." However, George thinks " ...but it ought to do some real damage, if I wait until just before impact and then establish a warp field."

 

[JarodRussell]

Anyway this is defunct because:
Even if for some reason Robau could get into a shuttle in less a minute, how do you expect Kirk in a extremely damaged and abandoned ship - with (presumably) no turbo-lifts functioning, flight deck crews (to warm up shuttle), control(to help said ship out), various dangerous areas all over ship (plasma, vacuum, bio hazard) and no shuttle in the first place?

Yeah, making stuff up yourself to "prove" the stuff I made up is wrong is very useful. The entire bridge crew was (supposedly) evacuated for one thing, so there WAS a passage to the shuttle bay. Unless you assume they all died because there wasn't a clear passage, or that the passage was destroyed once the bridge crew was evacuated, whatever. But that's the thing, we don't know, you don't, and I don't. So I am just as wrong as you are.

 

[SilentP]

Yeah, making stuff up yourself to "prove" the stuff I made up is wrong is very useful. The entire bridge crew was (supposedly) evacuated for one thing, so there WAS a passage to the shuttle bay. Unless you assume they all died because there wasn't a clear passage, or that the passage was destroyed once the bridge crew was evacuated, whatever. But that's the thing, we don't know, you don't, and I don't. So I am just as wrong as you are.

But it's a reasonable assumption to make that the Kelvin suffered a lot of damage in the interrim between the bridge crew evacuating and when it was clear for George to set off the Kelvin on it's course, making any easy path impossible to make (there could have been a long arse route he could have taken, massive corridor diversions, or crawling through Jeffries Tubes etc.), as opposed to thinking he just had a clear run.

Besides the point is moot, at the very least George ordered the shuttle with his wife on board to get out of there without him, not giving any indication to the pilot he'll try and hitch on another one, so George is probably accepting and 'comfortable' with the fact that he's gonna have to stay with the Kelving to the last.

 

[Cr031k]

Becuase if you are a Robau hater Robau will come to your house and steal your trek dvds

I don't have any Trek dvds !!
Abrams, Orci & Kurtzman came to my house and burned them before my helpless eyes right before XI premiered

What do I do if Robau comes ??

Beg for a quick death of course

Just run at him with a spear. Robau can kill ships with his mind and walk on water, but this... he has no defense.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I don't have any Trek dvds !!
Abrams, Orci & Kurtzman came to my house and burned them before my helpless eyes right before XI premiered

What do I do if Robau comes ??

Beg for a quick death of course

Just run at him with a spear. Robau can kill ships with his mind and walk on water, but this... he has no defense.

Just keep thinking that until Robau pulls your spear out and guts you with it

 

[cooleddie74]

Becuase if you are a Robau hater Robau will come to your house and steal your trek dvds

I don't have any Trek dvds !!
Abrams, Orci & Kurtzman came to my house and burned them before my helpless eyes right before XI premiered

What do I do if Robau comes ??

Beg for a quick death of course

There is no "quick death" when it comes to Robau. All he can guarantee is that you won't stain the carpets too badly.

 

[Sabataage]

It always seemed to me that ramming the Narada was an afterthought on Kirk's part. The shuttles were a safe distance away by that point, but the Narada could simply hunt them down after destroying the Kelvin. Crippling the Narada was the best alternative.

 

[cooleddie74]

It always seemed to me that ramming the Narada was an afterthought on Kirk's part. The shuttles were a safe distance away by that point, but the Narada could simply hunt them down after destroying the Kelvin. Crippling the Narada was the best alternative.

Agreed. Didn't the Narada actually destroy a few of the shuttles anyways as they left the Kelvin? Had George Kirk not rammed Nero's ship, I could see the Romulans hunting down and wiping out every one of the survivor shuttles. And then James T. Kirk would have never lived to see his first birthday, much less Starfleet Academy.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

It always seemed to me that ramming the Narada was an afterthought on Kirk's part. The shuttles were a safe distance away by that point, but the Narada could simply hunt them down after destroying the Kelvin. Crippling the Narada was the best alternative.

Agreed. Didn't the Narada actually destroy a few of the shuttles anyways as they left the Kelvin? Had George Kirk not rammed Nero's ship, I could see the Romulans hunting down and wiping out every one of the survivor shuttles. And then James T. Kirk would have never lived to see his first birthday, much less Starfleet Academy.

And that would be bad.

 

[cooleddie74]

It always seemed to me that ramming the Narada was an afterthought on Kirk's part. The shuttles were a safe distance away by that point, but the Narada could simply hunt them down after destroying the Kelvin. Crippling the Narada was the best alternative.

Agreed. Didn't the Narada actually destroy a few of the shuttles anyways as they left the Kelvin? Had George Kirk not rammed Nero's ship, I could see the Romulans hunting down and wiping out every one of the survivor shuttles. And then James T. Kirk would have never lived to see his first birthday, much less Starfleet Academy.

And that would be bad.

Robau's badassness bad.

 

[Plecostomus]

Offer him a beer.

 

[gimpy117]

Or perhaps it's not a fuck-up at all.

Spoiler: Spoilers

The Nero comic under discussion in this thread suggests that it was intentional and purposeful. Perhaps the warp engine was unusable as a means of escape, but not completely useless.

but they said the warp drive was offline aftyer the first salvo took it out...unless he meant "ok it's shot but still kinda sorta works"

I think he meant

Spoiler: comic spoilers

"as a functional warp drive, it's toast." However, George thinks " ...but it ought to do some real damage, if I wait until just before impact and then establish a warp field."

exactly correct...my bad I guess I didn't sort out that right