Spoilers Ascension of the Cybermen grade and discussion thread

Discussion in 'Doctor Who' started by The Nth Doctor, Feb 23, 2020.

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How do you rate Ascension of the Cybermen?

  1. Oh, brilliant!

    8.5%
  2. 9

    19.1%
  3. 8

    27.7%
  4. 7

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  5. 6

    19.1%
  6. 5

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  7. 4

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  8. 3

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  10. Rubbish

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  1. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Admiral Premium Member

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    It's really just their heads on the modern bodies more or less. Still a nice callback with those big earmuffs.
     
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  2. Starkers

    Starkers Admiral Admiral

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    What's annoying is that all it needs is a throwaway line.

    Graham. "Do we have to lug all this junk all this way, Doc?"

    Doctor. "We do when there's a leaky plasma coil on that ship stopping the Tardis from materialising any closer."
     
  3. Wereghost

    Wereghost Part-time poltergeist Rear Admiral

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    ^ Or maybe a line about the TARDIS being sequestered away in siege mode for now so that the cybermen can’t get at it or scan it for clues to its technology.
     
  4. Mr Awe

    Mr Awe Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Bit off topic, but evolution works differently on intelligent species that can shape their own environment. We can shape our environment/living conditions while environment guides evolution. If we shape our living conditions so they fit us perfectly, it'll slow down or stop evolution because we will have the perfect form for that environment.

    It's a common misconception that evolution is aiming for a "perfect" form. It selects for forms that most effectively survive and reproduce in their environment. As the alpha species of our entire planet, we're doing that. Right now, there's little to no evolutionary pressure on humans.

    However, I agree humans that far in the future, if we still exist, will be vastly different. However, it's more likely changes we've made to ourselves.
     
  5. DS9Continuing

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    "You survived. Oh, you might've spent a million years evolving into clouds of gas, and another million as downloads, but you always revert to the same basic shape. The fundamental human."
    –Tenth Doctor, "Utopia"

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  6. Robert D. Robot

    Robert D. Robot Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Excellent!!! Thumbs up!
     
  7. Irvy

    Irvy Commander Red Shirt

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    I'm loving the potential of that little "I'm the doc..." slip from Graham. If it is as it appears, we're going to find out that there have been many more Doctors than we have seen, and RuthDoc is 8th of another set of 13 before Hartnell. What if Graham is the 13th of that set, and he always has been. He's there to retrieve his grandson, who's been chameleon arched and left on earth. In this last episode, they could both regenerate into Hartnell and Susan. Yes, I think Ryan is Susan. I think he's also there to watch this Doctor in secret, and I bet Bradley Walsh has been playing it that way the whole time, knowing he was also the Doc, and has put loads of stuff in there for us to watch again once we've seen the finale.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I've seen enough bad news this week, and I had this idea on the walk home and had to share. Feel free to laugh ;)
     
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  8. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon Stealer of all the cookies in time and space Premium Member

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    That would be epic and interesting because it would cause people's heads to explode and the fandom react wildly but not sure which way.

    Therefore it must happen.
     
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  9. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon Stealer of all the cookies in time and space Premium Member

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    saddest moments from Dr Who

     
  10. USS Fardell

    USS Fardell Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Ascension of the Cybermen
    (Written before viewing The Timeless Children.)
    The penultimate episode of Series 12. Team TARDIS arrive in the far future to stop the Lone Cyberman. But also in a place reminiscent of Ireland, a strange side story that may be connected. A baby is found, and he's adopted, and grows up. Those scenes were done well. Back to the Cyberwars. The Doctor and her companions trying to help the last survivors by defending them from the Cybermen was done well. The Cyberdrones looked interesting, and were effective in leaving the Doctor and the others in an even more desperate situation.
    The Doctor tells the 'fam' to run. She doesn't want to lose anyone else as her previous incarnation had lost Bill. Graham and Yas manage to escape on the human spaceshhip, but Ryan doesn't. The Doctor's anguish as she says that she doesn't want to lose anyone to the Cybermen was done very well. The Doctor, Ryan and one of the survivors, Ethan, steal one of the Cybershuttles to head to the 'Barrier'. (That would prove to be important later on. Good foreshadowing.) More of Brendan, but he's shot and gets up like Captain Jack?
    Following Graham, Yas and the others. Something on their ship blows up and they are stuck in space. The scenes regarding this were well done and were appropriately tense. The ship had arrived in a Cyberman space graveyard, along with a dormant ship. They figure out how to get aboard that ship, but discover that it's carrying Cyberwarriors. And the Lone Cyberman has followed them aboard! All of these scenes are done well also, increasing the tensions. More of Brendan, leading somewhere...
    Following the Doctor, Ryan and Ethan... The Doctor contacts the Lone Cyberman. This scene was done rather well. But they arrive in their purloined ship at the Barrier ahead of the others. Arriving at a planet. Ko Sharmus isn't the name of the planet, as the Doctor and the others thought, but a person who's guarding the Barrier, which turns out to be a wormhole that opens randomly elsewhere in the universe. When the Doctor approaches it, she see's Gallifrey in it's destroyed state. And then the Master comes through!
    That was definitely well done! And what he says. Everything's about to change? (A great cliffhanger!) Back to Brendan. Retiring and then being lead into the back of the Station where he's getting his memory wiped? Is it a chameleon arch? Is this Mondasian Ireland? Both? Certainly an interesting episode, but it's all setup for the next episode. Certainly the Fam are all in different places, especially Graham and Yas. Even Ryan may not survive what is coming. Either with the Cybermen, on Gallifrey, or even with Cybermen on Gallifrey.
    (With the Time War, and Sontarrans in The Invasion of Time, why not?) 8.5/10.