Spoilers Arrow - Season 6
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Diggle will have to stay in the same ARROW costume for a while. The whole idea is to throw off FBI lady that Oliver wasn't Arrow.
I just don't think it would work in this case. It was Oliver's needs and decisions that led to this change, as an outgrowth of his past. Diggle's main motivation is helping a friend. Even though he's in the costume, he's still where he is because of Oliver's story.
Besides, Diggle just doesn't strike me as the narrator type. He's more laconic than Oliver.
You missed my point. This week's episode established that Curtis couldn't recreate that tech with his existing resources. So that option isn't on the table. Not yet, anyway. As I said, I think Alena's suggestion about directing their startup toward that goal is going to lead to a treatment for Diggle further down the road.
Remember who you're talking about. This is a guy who routinely gets freaked out by superpowers, magic, and aliens. He's not comfortable with that stuff.
If he were the only token black character in an otherwise white cast, then you'd have a point. But in addition to John and Curtis and FBI lady on this show, we've got Iris, Joe, Wally, Cecile, Jax, Amaya, Mari, Jimmy, J'onn and his father, M'gann, and nearly the entire cast of the upcoming Black Lightning. With that many black characters in the franchise, it doesn't play as a reflection on the entire race if one of those characters has some problems.
Every relationship is different. I like Olicity because it works for those specific characters and actors. For John and Dinah, I'm more interested in how they relate as partners. Their affinity comes from a similar mindset, from how they approach the job, Diggle as a soldier/bodyguard and Dinah as a cop. (I could've sworn Dinah had a military background too from how she talks and acts, but apparently not.) I find that dynamic to be the most interesting thing about them as a pair.
Look at it this way: When Oliver started out, he needed Diggle to be his anchor, to support him and keep him on the right path, to be a sounding board and someone who wasn't afraid to tell him when he was wrong. Now that Diggle is the Green Arrow, Dinah is his Diggle. He needs her in that role much more than he needs a new love interest -- never mind the fact that he loves his wife and kid, plus he'd have to be incredibly stupid to cheat on a woman who controls a powerful black-ops agency with limitless resources.
That's assuming James is the big bad. I have the impression this season has several major bad guys. There's still
Kirk Acevedo as Richard Dragon (Ricardo Diaz)
Besides, the actress most likely to be written out at this point is Willa Holland, who's already in a reduced role for the second year in a row.
No, the whole idea is that Oliver doesn't want to risk making his son an orphan. It was made very clear two weeks ago that the FBI investigation was not the reason Ollie asked Diggle to take over, that he considered it a mere nuisance and was asking this of John for personal reasons.
And Oliver already knows that Agent Watson knows there's a different man under the hood. So there's no reason not to change the costume.
I was hesitant to watch that as I've been burnt out on Arrow but that was pretty decent. Michael Emerson helped elevate the episode as well.
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They're talking about the "My name is Oliver Queen" narration of the opening credits.
I know, but Dutch Netflix doesn't show that appereantly. I remember it from when Arrow was on tv here. Dutch Netflix only gives us the logo's.
I assumed they stopped with the narration, a pity Netflix doesn't show lt
I have say I'm really disappointed with Emerson. The one thing I was really afraid of is they'd just turn Cayden into Evil Finch. And that's pretty much exactly what they did.
Everything from his mannerisms, to the way he talks, to the plot. It's too bad because the guy can do so much more.
Everything from his mannerisms, to the way he talks, to the plot. It's too bad because the guy can do so much more.
Why are you disappointed in Emerson for that? It's not like he created or wrote the character. He just did what they paid him to do. If you're going to be disappointed, be disappointed in the writers and director.
If it helps, pretend that Person of Interest takes place on another Earth in the multiverse and Cayden James is Harold Finch's evil doppelganger. After all, we know Harold used plenty of aliases. The Earth-1 version just isn't as attached to bird names.
That's what I meant. I should have wrote [the use] of Emerson.
If it helps, pretend that Person of Interest takes place on another Earth in the multiverse and Cayden James is Harold Finch's evil doppelganger. After all, we know Harold used plenty of aliases. The Earth-1 version just isn't as attached to bird names.
Haha, yeah, I came just to make a comment on this guy *definitely* being Harold Finch's doppelganger on this Earth, as opposed to whatever Earth POI took place on. I already have thought of Fringe regarding Earth 19, coffee blight and outside invasion, so in my head this is just another piece of the puzzle.
My question is.... since when is the internet all in one room somewhere? It reminds me of the South Park episode with the giant router box in california lmao. As far as I know, the internet doesn't work like that at all... or I've been sorely mis-educated....
Also, even if it were, what are the odds that said room would just happen to be in Star City?
Star City has juice in Washington.
I'm not saying he doesn't have a story, just that it's not primarily his own story that led to him being the Green Arrow. That's something he did because Oliver chose to step down, so it's still something that happened as a result of Oliver's story.
This is not about "worthiness." There's no value judgment implied. It's just about analyzing the narrative logic of the decision.
I'm not comparing Diggle & Dinah's relationship to any of those relationships. I'm not trying to check off boxes or something. I just happen to like the interaction I'm seeing between Diggle and Dinah as colleagues. I agree with you that there's chemistry between the actors and the characters. I just don't see it as a romantic or sexual chemistry. What makes them click with each other is their shared mentality as fighters and professionals.
Plus, as I said, now that Diggle is the Green Arrow, it works that he has his own "Diggle" in Dinah, the person who can be to him what he was to Oliver. That is what makes it different, at least as long as this status quo exists. (Which may not be more than another two weeks, since the preview to "Crisis on Earth-X" shows Oliver back in costume. But it could be a deal like Thea in "Invasion!", just temporarily going back to the role for the duration of the crisis.)
Well...that vigilante reveal was a major letdown.
I don't have a problem with it. They told us it was someone we'd already met, and I couldn't think of any living character who could've fit, so this was a clever bit of misdirection, a good way to make it someone really unexpected. They showed us right up front, in Dinah's debut episode, that he was shot exactly when the dark matter wave hit him, so they must've been setting this up from the start.
More to the point, it's dramatically effective to make Vigilante someone who's important to a member of Team Arrow, to give it a personal stake. Dinah's a relatively new character who comes from out of town, so she hasn't really had any personal connections other than to the team. So this helps fill in that gap and allows a deeper exploration of her character.
I'm really not liking Agent Watson. Who does she think she is, barging in on the police's investigation of an attempted assassination of a public official just so she can pursue her vendetta against a team of vigilantes? In a case like that, time would be of the essence, and it was incredibly unprofessional of her to force herself into their crime scene and distract the detective and her consultant from their work.
I do like how much they're committing to the "Oliver is out of the life" idea, at least for the nonce. Now they have Ollie actually out of town so the new Team Arrow can operate on their own for a while, and it's in a situation that calls for him to be a mayor and a diplomat rather than a fighter (though that seems likely to change next week). Honestly, I find Amell's performance much more engaging in "civilian" mode than in "growly vigilante" mode.
And the flashbacks are back, but this time they're Slade flashbacks. You know, a few weeks ago I found the pacing odd without constant flashbacks, but now I find it odd with flashbacks. I guess it didn't take me long to adjust. In the present day, I liked the in-joke where Nylander called Slade "the Terminator" and Slade replied "I haven't heard that name in a long time." (He was originally "Deathstroke the Terminator" in the comics, but the latter part was dropped when the Schwarzenegger movie came out.) Also, Joe's pseudonym Kane Wolfman is an homage to Marv Wolfman, who co-created both Slade and Joseph Wilson for The New Teen Titans with George Perez. Not sure what "Kane" is a reference to. Maybe Gil Kane, but he doesn't have any Teen Titans or Green Arrow connections as far as I can tell.
Anyway, this is a very revisionist version of Joseph Wilson. In the comics, he was a mutant (yes, DC was able to use that word once) with the power to transfer his consciousness into other people's bodies and control them, and he was mute due to a childhood injury sustained when he was abducted by an enemy of Deathstroke's called the Jackal. He was initially a Teen Titan called Jericho, but later went mad and became a villain, and has gone back and forth since then. This Joe can speak, he leads a gang called the Jackals, and we don't know yet if he has any metahuman powers.
I dunno. Yeah that was unprofessional and her subplot was a bit repetitive, but on the other hand she is professional and competent in figuring out who Green Arrow and his helpers are, which is not something you often see in comic book cops, so I'm curious where they're going with this.
It's just his mother's last name.
Overall this was much better than last week, the Vigilante reveal was a surprise, and I'm glad that Dinah gets a storyline of her own. The twist with Slade's son was totally predictable though, but that was still the better half of the episode. Looking forward to part 2.
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