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Spoilers Arrow - Season 5

So I take it from the ending that Chase is not at the base but Helix used that tech to locate and destroy (or heavily damage) the base of Team Arrow. The whole heartbeat thing was OTT even for the comic book realm and this show, I didn't like the writers having Felicity just accept it and plug in foreign tech into her own system without checking it.
 
Jax said:
So I take it from the ending that Chase is not at the base but Helix used that tech to locate and destroy (or heavily damage) the base of Team Arrow. The whole heartbeat thing was OTT even for the comic book realm and this show, I didn't like the writers having Felicity just accept it and plug in foreign tech into her own system without checking it.
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Well after their "address resolution protocol spoofing" to misdirect the automated defenses they couldn't do any worse.
 
I hope they keep the paralysis this time and make Felcity Oracle.

Now..i missed it...but Chase got to New Jersey after 6 day road trip, right? Otherwise, it seemed really fast.
 
Jax said:
So I take it from the ending that Chase is not at the base
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Unclear.
Still ten steps ahead though. ;)

Jax said:
The whole heartbeat thing was OTT even for the comic book realm and this show
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Yeah, that was a bit silly, but not the silliest bit of tech on the show.
(They should have just brought in McCoy with his heartbeat silencing microphone to the cave instead of going through all this, he would have found Chase in no time :D )

Christopher said:
Diggle's the moral center of the team now
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His moral outrage at black sites and holding people without due process would ring more true if they themselves(him included) hadn't engaged in such behaviour in the past, and weren't actively trying to kill Chase just a few episodes ago...

No flashbacks this week, and despite having extra time in the present, the episode felt a bit too fillerish.
Bringing ARGUS in seems superfluous considering they'll probably go away now and let Oliver handle it anyway. After taking tiny steps, Felicity finally took a giant leap to the dark side, wrapping up the Helix thing(for now), but the team dialogues were kinda tired and generic(trust, going too far, blah blah) so it was a bit underwhelming.
Rene and Hoss parts were the highlight though. :techman:
 
Rene is slowly becoming the seasons MVP. I didn't like him at first but I'm glad he is sticking around next year. His stuff with Quinton were the best parts of the episode.

It was a good episode this week even though I'm surprised Felicity just walked back into the Arrow Cave like nothing happened. This would have been a good spot to tell EBR to take the rest of the season off bit they aren't going to do that.

Hopefully things pick back up with the Chase story next week, which looks like it will.

Also can someone tell Curtis to shut up. He ruined that one scene at the end with his incessant blathering.
 
Jax said:
So I take it from the ending that Chase is not at the base but Helix used that tech to locate and destroy (or heavily damage) the base of Team Arrow.
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I took it to mean that he was in the base and had just planted the charge that went off at the end. After all, it's a fairly large HQ, and there's a whole building above it, so there are plenty of places Chase could've been without the explosion endangering him.

After all, I think Elena is sincere in her belief that she and Felicity are on the same side. And their super-hacker founder -- Cayden James, was it? Is he someone from the comics? -- had no reason to target Team Arrow, as far as we know. Certainly Helix is dangerous, but they strike me as the "well-intentioned extremist" kind of dangerous rather than the "deliberately evil" kind. Although I admit I could be led astray by the smoldering sexy-librarian tension between Felicity and Elena.
 
So two computer hackers (attractive I might add) causes sexy librarian tension? Learn something new every day. :p
 
Photoman15 said:
My first thought, since they never took the hood off of the big hacker, was that it was Chase.
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That was my thought as well. The episode seemed deliberately evasive about the prisoner's identity. They kept the prisoner masked even after he was rescued which seemed odd.
 
Romulan_spy said:
The episode seemed deliberately evasive about the prisoner's identity. They kept the prisoner masked even after he was rescued which seemed odd.
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Might be that Helix will return as a baddie in season 6, and they wanted to keep their options open when it comes to casting.
 
Romulan_spy said:
That was my thought as well. The episode seemed deliberately evasive about the prisoner's identity. They kept the prisoner masked even after he was rescued which seemed odd.
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Could it be Felicity's dad? He would fit the profile for such a leader, and would be very happy to share tech to help Felicity in what she is trying to do.
 
dodge said:
Might be that Helix will return as a baddie in season 6, and they wanted to keep their options open when it comes to casting.
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True. That would make sense. And I could definitely see Helix being a baddie in the future. They have the tech expertise to do nasty stuff and have a set of values that may be at odds with our protagonists' values.
 
Tuskin38 said:
Ok the scenes in the bunker are hurting my eyes
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Did the black parts of the image look faintly green to anyone else? Or is that just a quirk of my 12-year-old non-HD television? Other than that, though, I quite liked the monochrome purple lighting in those scenes. It was visually striking and effective, like something out of a comic book. (A TV show based on a comic book? What a crazy idea...)

I also liked the "Olicity" flashbacks, and the hint that the two of them might get back together now that she understands his reasons for the lie that broke them up before. Those two have good chemistry and are fun to watch together, and it's nice to see that fun in their interactions after all the grimness lately. Even in the present-day, dangerous situation, there was some fun interplay and other business.

I wasn't as happy with the way the Diggle-Lyla tension was resolved. I don't think Diggle should've backed down, because he was right. It was wrong for Lyla to say that her moral compromises were no different from Oliver's. They're different because she works for the US government. She has far more power than the Green Arrow does, and her decisions affect a far larger number of people, which means the onus on her to be responsible and ethical is far greater. Besides which, she's supposed to be answerable to the people and doing things on our behalf, so they shouldn't be things that are hidden from us or that come at the expense of our civil rights. That doesn't make the world safer, it just turns the people who are supposed to be defending it into a threat in their own right.
 
The end of the episode saved this episode for me. I was ready to hate it and compare it to Supergirl this week in terms of filler and why they are doing so late in the season and then Felicity admitted she was a hypocrite and apologized and I got reinvested. I'm not vehemently against Olicity like a lot of fans are but the way this episode was going I was about to get there. The last two minutes saved that anger and hate I could have had, so well done Arrow.
 
Not a bad episode. As someone who lives with anxiety, I often have doubts about myself. Then there was something that Felicity told Oliver at the end that resonated with me: "You said you don't know what kind of person you are. You need to figure that out by yourself." Maybe that's what I need to do.

When Diggle was upset with Layla becoming like Amanda Waller, I could see his point of view. Then Layla said she's always stood behind Diggle although she doesn't always agree with the way they do things together as a team. So why can't he do the same? Now I understand the position she's in.
 
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