Spoilers Arrow - Season 5
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Laurel didn't return.
I kept waiting for Felicity to casually mention to mini-Felicity that she stopped nuclear armageddon last year. Plus, she spent time as CEO of a major tech company. Nothing, though. I understand not talking about Green Arrow, but you can still show a little pride!
Edit: I also agree with the earlier posters that it was strange Felicity just plugged that drive into her regular computer. You're dealing with hackers, Felicity. Use some caution.
Edit: I also agree with the earlier posters that it was strange Felicity just plugged that drive into her regular computer. You're dealing with hackers, Felicity. Use some caution.
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I think the CEO gig would read like selling out to MIni-Fe. The stopped nuclear armageddon is cool, but nuking Havenrock is a bit an open wound.
"Tell Singh I'm legit #postitonhismonitor #runbarryrun"
Maybe the next 3 years can be flashbacks to Dinah Drake's vigilante career instead
Earth-1, Earth-2 . . . she returned.
Well, since it's a different Laurel showing up for the first time, it isn't actually a return (except for the actress). If your car got wrecked and you bought another car of the same make and model, that wouldn't mean your previous car had returned. It's more of a substitution.
5x12...
Dinah looked like Tricia Helfer. I'm sure the red dress was a coincidence.
Dinah looked like Tricia Helfer. I'm sure the red dress was a coincidence.
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Right now of the three CW Shows I watch, I'm loving Arrow the best. This was a great episode, full of action and urgency. The more this season goes on, the more I'm reminded of season 1, with Olivers past catching up with him while also dealing with what Prometheus told him.
Also loving how the flashbacks are starting to come full circle.
If I had one question though it's the new Canery Cry. It sounds weaker than what I'm used to. Was she training to control the Cry and the tempo or did they just tone it down just because. I am liking her though, especially her scenes with Oliver talking about Olivers Brooding. As someone who is still a bit of an outsider to the team, that was refreshing to get that perspective.
It sucks that Rory was the one to leave though. Maybe his story was running out but he was the most interesting of the new team.
Also loving how the flashbacks are starting to come full circle.
If I had one question though it's the new Canery Cry. It sounds weaker than what I'm used to. Was she training to control the Cry and the tempo or did they just tone it down just because. I am liking her though, especially her scenes with Oliver talking about Olivers Brooding. As someone who is still a bit of an outsider to the team, that was refreshing to get that perspective.
It sucks that Rory was the one to leave though. Maybe his story was running out but he was the most interesting of the new team.
Interesting episode. Ollie returns to Russia and is reunited with Anatoly while hunting down General Walker. The gang teams up with Bratva to retrieve a stolen nuclear weapon. Back at home, René preps Quentin for an interview and poses some tough questions for the deputy mayor.
Oliver was worried Felicity and Diggle might be going too far and admonished them not to make the same mistake he did. "You're the one who told us you've got to get into the muck sometimes to get the job done," or something to that effect. But in the end, Diggle told Ollie he and Felicity "aren't better than you. But we make one another better." Aww.
Rory's rags are rendered powerless, so he realizes he should run but reassures Felicity he's returning.
Oliver was worried Felicity and Diggle might be going too far and admonished them not to make the same mistake he did. "You're the one who told us you've got to get into the muck sometimes to get the job done," or something to that effect. But in the end, Diggle told Ollie he and Felicity "aren't better than you. But we make one another better." Aww.
Rory's rags are rendered powerless, so he realizes he should run but reassures Felicity he's returning.
Rene brings up the corpse daughter without mentioning the Earth 2 Doppelgänger or the new Black Canary. Although the two of them together had some serious chemistry together as actors.
I think for Quintin's sake, not mentioning a new black canery or black siren was a good idea.
It's weird how the team always leave their superhero identities behind (and embrace using guns) when they go on secret missions to other countries. It's even weirder that they left the costumes at home, yet still used their regular code names on comms. Plus they had Ragman with them, and he kinda had to bring his costume.
It rang a bit false that Dinah was the one to give Oliver that big wise speech about not letting your past weigh you down, when it was just last week that he was the one helping her see that for the first time. They could've at least cast it in terms of "Hey, you were the one who just convinced me the other day that I shouldn't be trapped by my past, so maybe you should take the same advice." But it was played like something she'd understood for a long time and he was totally unaware of. Plus, it was weird to hear it phrased as "your past doesn't have to be your anchor," as if an anchor were a bad thing, an impediment holding him back. Usually, when people call something their anchor, they mean it as a positive -- it's the thing that helps them keep control and stability while outside forces try to blow them off course or overwhelm them.
Have we seen Thea at all since "Invasion?" They keep making excuses for her being away. But those excuses imply she's still an active presence when we aren't watching, so her absence must be for reasons pertaining to the actress rather than the character. Has anyone heard any news about Willa Holland?
It rang a bit false that Dinah was the one to give Oliver that big wise speech about not letting your past weigh you down, when it was just last week that he was the one helping her see that for the first time. They could've at least cast it in terms of "Hey, you were the one who just convinced me the other day that I shouldn't be trapped by my past, so maybe you should take the same advice." But it was played like something she'd understood for a long time and he was totally unaware of. Plus, it was weird to hear it phrased as "your past doesn't have to be your anchor," as if an anchor were a bad thing, an impediment holding him back. Usually, when people call something their anchor, they mean it as a positive -- it's the thing that helps them keep control and stability while outside forces try to blow them off course or overwhelm them.
Have we seen Thea at all since "Invasion?" They keep making excuses for her being away. But those excuses imply she's still an active presence when we aren't watching, so her absence must be for reasons pertaining to the actress rather than the character. Has anyone heard any news about Willa Holland?
I'm really liking Dinah, though it's kinda weird she's more like the Canary from the comics in two episodes when it took them 4 years to write Laurel into a similar position. Talia's been awesome as well, and I'm glad to see Felicity getting a subplot that's not romantic in nature, the hacker group seems even more shady with the nudging to go to the dark side.
Still missing Thea, but good to see Quentin back, the scenes between him and Rene were great, Wild Dog's done the most growth of the newbies, I hope he won't be next on the chopping block. Susan might have written herself in that position, if she tries to expose Green Arrow and that interferes with Prometheus' plans...
Sorry to see Rory go, hope his rags recover and we see him again. With Felicity going rogue, I hoped he'd stay on as "the sensible one", but with nuke stopping rags I guess he's to overpowered for the show now. Maybe Legends next season? Or him and Curtis can start a professional career acting as Bratva thugs...
Oliver and Anatoly is the one true love story of this show, I'm glad they're patching things up between them.
Almost forgot, loved the Green Lantern cameo.
Or she just stayed in the simulation and everyone hallucinated she got out with the rest of them.
Still missing Thea, but good to see Quentin back, the scenes between him and Rene were great, Wild Dog's done the most growth of the newbies, I hope he won't be next on the chopping block. Susan might have written herself in that position, if she tries to expose Green Arrow and that interferes with Prometheus' plans...
Sorry to see Rory go, hope his rags recover and we see him again. With Felicity going rogue, I hoped he'd stay on as "the sensible one", but with nuke stopping rags I guess he's to overpowered for the show now. Maybe Legends next season? Or him and Curtis can start a professional career acting as Bratva thugs...
Oliver and Anatoly is the one true love story of this show, I'm glad they're patching things up between them.
Almost forgot, loved the Green Lantern cameo.
Or she just stayed in the simulation and everyone hallucinated she got out with the rest of them.
From one perspective, yeah, but as I see it, it kinda makes sense. After all, Laurel was introduced at the start of Arrow when it was trying to minimize its comic-booky elements so as not to frighten off the non-geek audience. So she was a character who was basically named after the comics' Black Canary but otherwise had nothing in common with her aside from being a potential love interest for Oliver Queen. So as the show gradually became more comic-booky over time, they had to take her on a journey to turn her into Black Canary. But now we're at a point where the whole multi-show universe is as unapologetically comic-booky as you can get, and now that they have a blank slate to create a new Black Canary, they were able to just make her Black Canary without all that baggage.
I do kind of like the idea that Oliver owed so much of his identity and methods to such an important DC character. And her moral ambiguity as a character is a good fit for his early ambiguity.
But I find myself feeling a bit sad for this Talia, because she lives on an Earth where there is apparently no Batman for her to fall in love with. I think we've seen a headline or two suggesting the existence of Wayne Enterprises, but if Earth-1's Bruce Wayne had become Batman, I think we would've heard about it by now. And I doubt Talia could love a Bruce who was just a billionaire playboy. I wonder if she has a doppelganger on Earth-38, who is possibly part of that "baggage" that Superman's gadget-loving vigilante friend is carrying around.
I don't know if their intentions are consciously malevolent. I think this was more about what Rory's father said to him, that with great power comes great -- err -- temptation to abuse that power. Felicity's been handed the hacktivist equivalent of a superpower, and power tends to corrupt, even if it's endowed with the best intentions.
Yeah, Rene-Quentin is an unexpected pairing, but an interesting one.
I guess this rules out her actually being Prometheus or working with him, since he already knows GA's identity.
Almost forgot, loved the Green Lantern cameo.
Beg pardon? I missed that.
Or she just stayed in the simulation and everyone hallucinated she got out with the rest of them.
There could be a story there -- maybe the Dominators did keep her and put a telepathic illusion in the others' minds so they wouldn't realize it. But why would they keep her? She's not a metahuman, and the only reason the non-metas were captured was to probe their minds for information on the metas.
I think it's more likely that Willa Holland has been unavailable for some reason. Maybe she got time off to do a movie, or she got hurt, or something. It can't be maternity leave, because we would've heard about it, and they weren't trying to shoot her only from the chest up in earlier episodes.
Green Lantern cameo?Almost forgot, loved the Green Lantern cameo.
Perhaps he's just much better at working in the shadows than Oliver is.
Yeah, but things have been quiet on the Prometheus front and messing with people close to Oliver is his MO, which makes me suspect there's something more going on there.
Maybe it's a budget thing?
The old regulars probably get more money per episode now than the newbies, so maybe to cut costs some of the old ones have to go away for a few episodes.
In the scene when Talia and Oliver are discussing the list there's a green lantern on the table between them.
Perhaps he's just much better at working in the shadows than Oliver is.
Either one of these rules would have helped significantly:
Rule 1: wear a mask instead of just dark make-up and a hood in your early years.
Rule 2: do not reveal your secret identity to everybody you meet.