That ending so reminded me so of the ending of the Portal: No Escape short film.
The reveal was almost exactly the same.
The reveal was almost exactly the same.
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Just saw Captain America: Civil War and Elizabeth Olsen reminded me of Willa Holland. They look very much a like.
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Man you caught that too. I don't what it was about Olsen but it did bring Holland to mind, perhaps some mannerisms or something.
As for this week's episode, not a bad episode. We finally get to freaking learn what Genesis is about and how Darhk plans to bring it about. It reminds me of Kravid and her Reborn plan in Heroes Reborn, which I actually liked better. It was more fantastical, more 'comic booky' but that was cool with me. It felt more fitting.
As for Darhk, this plan so far feels a little lackluster for a guy that's presumably lived centuries and controls magic. I mean what's the ultimate aim or purpose of this? Why is is he doing this? Why did he join the League, why did he leave them? Why did he join HIVE? I wish more thought had been put into this character and if it had, that the writers woul reveal it.
Neal McDonough is a very good actor, and he's having fun with this role, but I'm not enjoying it. Because I don't get the why for any of this.
Back to this week's episode...The Diggle conflict ended much differently than I thought it would. And I was a bit saddened it went that route. A big deal was made about Diggle not killing Ruve Adams/Darhk last week, but he kills Andy this week, albeit it looked like he had a momentary psychotic break and wasn't fully in control. Andy did goad him, but was that really enough to kill his younger brother, the father of his nephew? How is Diggle going to look his nephew in the eyes ever again? The show struggled to put Diggle in an 'impossible' situation that I don't think was impossible on a show where metahumans, magic, and unexplained resurrections exist, not to mention a universe where time travel exists.
The one 'positive' from this is that it puts Diggle in an interesting place character wise. For a long time he had been the moral anchor of the show (though I wonder if that has now shifted to Felicity), so to see him do something so tragic (after all the time he spent mourning his brother's 'death' and seeking revenge of it, and then all the time he spent trying to rehabilitate his brother), and add on his guilt over Laurel's death, there's quite a toxic emotional stew to explore with Diggle's character now that wasn't there before. To quote from BvS Superman, "No one stays good in this world" (I hope I got that quote accurate).
As for Oliver and Felicity's excursion, I liked the mention of Hub City (once I looked it up and found out it is the home of The Question, a character that would fit well on Arrow), I also liked Fortuna (though I wish she had been Zatanna or Madame Xanadu), but still I liked that Oliver is seeking magical help because going at Darhk the same way over and over has gotten really old. I'm glad that Fortuna didn't make Felicity the only one that could stop Darhk. I was thinking they were going to go that route, that Oliver's darkness was too great so only Felicity could stop him. If the had done that, then they need to stop calling the show Arrow.
And I was very pleased that they didn't do any flashbacks this episode. They have stretched that flashback story very thin and wasted the actor playing Reiter. I think Shadowspire and Reiter might have made for good present day villains.
Man you caught that too. I don't what it was about Olsen but it did bring Holland to mind, perhaps some mannerisms or something.
As for this week's episode, not a bad episode. We finally get to freaking learn what Genesis is about and how Darhk plans to bring it about. It reminds me of Kravid and her Reborn plan in Heroes Reborn, which I actually liked better. It was more fantastical, more 'comic booky' but that was cool with me. It felt more fitting.
As for Darhk, this plan so far feels a little lackluster for a guy that's presumably lived centuries and controls magic. I mean what's the ultimate aim or purpose of this? Why is is he doing this? Why did he join the League, why did he leave them? Why did he join HIVE? I wish more thought had been put into this character and if it had, that the writers woul reveal it.
Neal McDonough is a very good actor, and he's having fun with this role, but I'm not enjoying it. Because I don't get the why for any of this.
Back to this week's episode...The Diggle conflict ended much differently than I thought it would. And I was a bit saddened it went that route. A big deal was made about Diggle not killing Ruve Adams/Darhk last week, but he kills Andy this week, albeit it looked like he had a momentary psychotic break and wasn't fully in control. Andy did goad him, but was that really enough to kill his younger brother, the father of his nephew? How is Diggle going to look his nephew in the eyes ever again? The show struggled to put Diggle in an 'impossible' situation that I don't think was impossible on a show where metahumans, magic, and unexplained resurrections exist, not to mention a universe where time travel exists.
The one 'positive' from this is that it puts Diggle in an interesting place character wise. For a long time he had been the moral anchor of the show (though I wonder if that has now shifted to Felicity), so to see him do something so tragic (after all the time he spent mourning his brother's 'death' and seeking revenge of it, and then all the time he spent trying to rehabilitate his brother), and add on his guilt over Laurel's death, there's quite a toxic emotional stew to explore with Diggle's character now that wasn't there before. To quote from BvS Superman, "No one stays good in this world" (I hope I got that quote accurate).
As for Oliver and Felicity's excursion, I liked the mention of Hub City (once I looked it up and found out it is the home of The Question, a character that would fit well on Arrow), I also liked Fortuna (though I wish she had been Zatanna or Madame Xanadu), but still I liked that Oliver is seeking magical help because going at Darhk the same way over and over has gotten really old. I'm glad that Fortuna didn't make Felicity the only one that could stop Darhk. I was thinking they were going to go that route, that Oliver's darkness was too great so only Felicity could stop him. If the had done that, then they need to stop calling the show Arrow.
And I was very pleased that they didn't do any flashbacks this episode. They have stretched that flashback story very thin and wasted the actor playing Reiter. I think Shadowspire and Reiter might have made for good present day villains.
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Hub City also prominently factored into Legends of Tomorrow recently, though not in a Question-related way.
Did they ever explain how fake black canary bypassed Cisco's DNA lock on the canary cry? I kept expecting the girl to be an unknown half-sister of Laurel and Sara. Especially after the joke about Ollie having an illegitimate kid.
Was waiting to hear "well Sara could use the device too"
Was waiting to hear "well Sara could use the device too"
No, they didn't.
She's a very clever girl, obviously. 
Honestly though I hope she comes back as a recurring character at least. Because for as much as I thought the decision to kill Laurel was stupid, and the way they did it awful, the follow-up episode was one of their best this year and gave her a truly worthwhile legacy (unlike poor Wildcat, anybody remember him?).
The latest was quite good too, and that moment where Diggle snapped was.... just awful, in a good/dramatic way. Going to be interesting to see where they go from here.
Honestly though I hope she comes back as a recurring character at least. Because for as much as I thought the decision to kill Laurel was stupid, and the way they did it awful, the follow-up episode was one of their best this year and gave her a truly worthwhile legacy (unlike poor Wildcat, anybody remember him?).
The latest was quite good too, and that moment where Diggle snapped was.... just awful, in a good/dramatic way. Going to be interesting to see where they go from here.
Okay... They at least paid lip service to Lyla answering to the President, but are we really supposed to believe that the US government and ARGUS have no actual resources for stopping a nuclear disaster other than the Green Arrow's tech support? And that when Felicity got kicked out of her company, she couldn't have called Lyla and gotten government authorization to commandeer the quantum processor?
You know who could've helped prevent that nuclear missile from killing tens of thousands of people and giving Darhk ultimate power? Firestorm. Too bad Rip Hunter recruited Martin and Jax to go time-traveling with him because he computed that Firestorm would have no significant impact on future history...
Nice touch: The sign on the wall of the City Hall basement still said Starling City instead of Star. I guess they haven't gotten around to repainting down there.
You know who could've helped prevent that nuclear missile from killing tens of thousands of people and giving Darhk ultimate power? Firestorm. Too bad Rip Hunter recruited Martin and Jax to go time-traveling with him because he computed that Firestorm would have no significant impact on future history...
Nice touch: The sign on the wall of the City Hall basement still said Starling City instead of Star. I guess they haven't gotten around to repainting down there.
I hope the governments of the world take notice and disconnect their missile launch mechanisms from the Internet.
Diggle's face mask looks really goofy and that's saying something considering all the costumes on this show.
Damn, this flashback is really getting drawn out. I've only started watching this season, do the flashbacks usually go all season long?
I'm making a lot of niggling comments but I liked that there was a low amount of angst tonight. Funny that both SHIELD and Arrow are fighting Hive.
Diggle's face mask looks really goofy and that's saying something considering all the costumes on this show.
Damn, this flashback is really getting drawn out. I've only started watching this season, do the flashbacks usually go all season long?
I'm making a lot of niggling comments but I liked that there was a low amount of angst tonight. Funny that both SHIELD and Arrow are fighting Hive.
Yes. From the beginning, the show has been using weekly flashbacks to tell a parallel narrative of the 5 years that Oliver was missing. Only a few episodes have lacked such flashbacks or have flashed back to other characters or times. Presumably, by the end of season 5, the flashbacks will catch up to the beginning of the series.
I noticed that too. Although it's the organization called S.H.I.E.L.D. fighting the individual called Hive and the individual called Green Arrow fighting the organization called H.I.V.E., so they have the opposite polarity.
Sydney Palmer.
The existence of Rubicon is an act of war, on numerous fronts.
In the next 30 minutes, after the credits, a number of the nuclear powers that were just fucked with, should feel compelled to level the States.
The existence of Rubicon is an act of war, on numerous fronts.
In the next 30 minutes, after the credits, a number of the nuclear powers that were just fucked with, should feel compelled to level the States.
I would be thrilled to see an AoS/Arrow crossover, but that will never happen except in fanfics.
Or just called Curtis, who hasn't been fired and in whose lab the device was...
The only reason that the security was that good is because Felicity hired excellent security that is ready for Deathstroke to breach the building.
There is no way that the Board was going to continue paying for that sort of security unless... On, The Bug Eyed Bandit probably scared the shit out of them.
There is no way that the Board was going to continue paying for that sort of security unless... On, The Bug Eyed Bandit probably scared the shit out of them.
This episode seemed to have more fight scenes than this entire season combined and on top of it they detonated a nuke that destroyed a whole city and it still managed to feel... kinda dull. 
Way too much (bad) technobabble and a government whose idea of a response to a threat of nuclear armageddon is sending half a dozen lightly armed ARGUS people(???) to stop it didn't help.
Also, that whole Lance/Donna conversation about lying that had no relevance to the rest of the episode.. what was even the point of that?
Way too much (bad) technobabble and a government whose idea of a response to a threat of nuclear armageddon is sending half a dozen lightly armed ARGUS people(???) to stop it didn't help.
Also, that whole Lance/Donna conversation about lying that had no relevance to the rest of the episode.. what was even the point of that?
That was a thrilling episode that felt like a season finale! I can't believe there's two more left still!
One thing I immediately noticed and miss terribly; I really loved seeing Arrow and Spartan and Black Canary and Red Arrow working together as a team this season. It felt so empty seeing just Arrow and Spartan with no ladies. I hope they introduce a new female hero next season to join the team.
One thing I immediately noticed and miss terribly; I really loved seeing Arrow and Spartan and Black Canary and Red Arrow working together as a team this season. It felt so empty seeing just Arrow and Spartan with no ladies. I hope they introduce a new female hero next season to join the team.
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