Spoilers Arrow - Season 4

[Turtletrekker]

Confirmation that they are in fact retroactively linking NBC's Constantine to the "Flarrow"-verse:

In terms of whether we should assume that this is firmly considered the same version of Constantine from his own series (and thus retroactively linking the Constantine series to the Arrow-verse), Mericle said, “Absolutely. He is coming in fully as who he was on the show. We’re getting wardrobe. We’re very excited to have him. He’s a tremendous actor. It’s so cool to have that cross-pollination. We are very lucky and DC was very generous letting us have him.”

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/08...nce-back? hub page (front page)&utm_content=3

Amusingly enough given my past working on wikis, I can't help but think of how this will effect the Arrow-verse wiki and the Constantine TV show wiki. Will the Arrow-verse wiki contributors write completely new articles to cover the Constantine material? Will the wikis coordinate and just import the Constantine articles? People with no life want to know!

 

[Christopher]

So this means the full continuity includes Arrow, The Flash, Constantine, Vixen, and Legends of Tomorrow. That's a pretty impressive shared universe. And yes, that's a good question about how the Wikis will handle it.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ I think we'll eventually be able to add Supergirl to that list, but, yes, that's the full "Flarrow"-verse continuity as it currently stands.

As far as the Wikia wikis go, the Arrow/Flash one has already added an article for Constantine and mentions the series on the home page.

Wikipedia has also already made note of the fact that it is now in continuity with Arrow, Flash, etc.

 

[sojourner]

Now if one of the shows could just have Tommy Westphal to appear....

 

[Christopher]

I actually thought the character of Fish was pretty cool, it was just her storyline in the show that went downhill over the course of the season.

I wonder if the expansion from 16 episodes to 22 is one of the reasons for that. Her final arc with that crazy plastic surgeon seemed like it was put in there to give her something to do while they delayed her confrontation with Penguin for the season finale.

I believe the producers have confirmed that this was actually the case. Although it's stupid, because her final confrontation was so rushed that it could've benefited enormously from expansion. How did she build that new mob of street people? How did she recruit Selina? They could've easily spent six episodes developing that instead of wasting time with the Dollmaker. The effective part, about Fish using a mix of benevolence and ruthlessness to win over a "family," would've plugged into that just as well, and would've been far more meaningful because it would've actually had a payoff. And her final confrontation with the Penguin could've been expanded too, so that Oswald actually did something to earn his victory rather than just lucking into it because the writers knew he was supposed to win.

^ I think we'll eventually be able to add Supergirl to that list, but, yes, that's the full "Flarrow"-verse continuity as it currently stands.

God, that word "Flarrow" is like chalk on a blackboard to me. Any chance I can persuade you to switch to "Berlantiverse?" One of the producers (either Guggenheim or Kreisberg, I think) called it that on a Comic-Con panel, so I take it as the official name for the continuity. It's not ideal, but if it's official, then I'm going with it.

As far as the Wikia wikis go, the Arrow/Flash one has already added an article for Constantine and mentions the series on the home page.

I suppose there'd be no point in combining the wikis if there's only one episode's worth of crossover. Probably makes more sense just to have links to the Constantine wiki where relevant.

DC shows seem to have a bit of an intermittent tradition of retroactively folding separate shows into their universe. I may have already mentioned Static Shock -- in the first season, it was a standalone show, with the characters talking about Superman/Clark Kent as a fictional character, but its second-season premiere featured the DC Animated Universe versions of Batman and the Joker, and it continued to have crossovers with the other DCAU shows over the years to come. I suppose you could also count the '60s Batman giving the Green Hornet and Kato a guest appearance after previously treating them as fictional. Although the Green Hornet has never been a DC character.

And then there's the fact that Super Friends and Scooby-Doo apparently inhabit the same universe...

 

[DigificWriter]

I'm currently involved in an edit war over on Wikipedia after my edit of The Flash article adding Constantine to the Shared Universe section of said article was reverted because, according to the person who reverted said edit, Constantine is only connected to Arrow because Constantine is only showing up on that show, which is just silly. John's guest spot on Arrow retroactively connects his series to EVERY series in the "Flarrow"/"Berlanti"-verse by default/proxy, not just the one on which he's guest-starring.

 

[sojourner]

I always imagined that Wendy and Marvin attended the same high school as the scooby gang. And Jose and the Pussy Cats were the prom band.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I'm currently involved in an edit war over on Wikipedia after my edit of The Flash article adding Constantine to the Shared Universe section of said article was reverted because, according to the person who reverted said edit, Constantine is only connected to Arrow because Constantine is only showing up on that show, which is just silly. John's guest spot on Arrow retroactively connects his series to EVERY series in the "Flarrow"/"Berlanti"-verse by default/proxy, not just the one on which he's guest-starring.

Shit like that is why I stopped contributing to wikis.

 

[DigificWriter]

I re-added the info, and had it reverted again, so I'm giving up. Wikipedia generally doesn't pull these kinds of shenanigans, but they are right now for whatever reason, so I'm not going to bother. If they want to pretend that Arrow's retroactive establishment of NBC's Constantine as part of the "Berlanti"/"Flarrow"-verse continuity doesn't link it to ALL of the shows in said universe, I guess that's their prerogative, even if it's really stupid for them to do so.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Well, after the episode airs, your take can probably be conclusively proven.

Right now it's just the same actor, playing the the same character, which isn't too different from the same actor playing a different character with the same name.

Meanwhile the deal could fall through, or Keanu could demand that it is he who should be on Arrow and not this Johnny come lately pretender to his awesomeness.

 

[Christopher]

I re-added the info, and had it reverted again, so I'm giving up. Wikipedia generally doesn't pull these kinds of shenanigans, but they are right now for whatever reason, so I'm not going to bother.

Maybe it's just premature. The episode hasn't even been shot yet, let alone aired. At this point, only a few Wikipedia editors would be interested in the first place, so a single editor (on either side of an issue) can have an undue influence. Once the episode's out and Constantine is clearly part of the Berlantiverse, the number of readers/editors who accept the idea will outweigh those who resist it.

 

[DigificWriter]

It's already been recognized that Constantine is now in continuity with Arrow, but the argument being made is that it's ONLY in continuity with Arrow and not with The Flash, Vixen, and Legends of Tomorrow, which is just silly and makes no sense whatsoever.

Edit: Apparently the Constantine reference has been removed from the Arrow page now.

 

[JD]

So this means the full continuity includes Arrow, The Flash, Constantine, Vixen, and Legends of Tomorrow. That's a pretty impressive shared universe. And yes, that's a good question about how the Wikis will handle it.

It sounds like this will probably it, for now at least. I don't remember where I read it, so I can't link to it, but one of the articles about the guy in charge of The CW's appearance at the Television Critics Association event going on right now reported that he said they were not going to be doing any more DC shows in the near future. I wouldn't be surprised if we got a replacement show once one of the current and upcoming ones ends, but we probably won't be seeing any more Berlantiverse shows before that.

 

[JoeZhang]

It's already been recognized that Constantine is now in continuity with Arrow, but the argument being made is that it's ONLY in continuity with Arrow and not with The Flash, Vixen, and Legends of Tomorrow, which is just silly and makes no sense whatsoever.

Edit: Apparently the Constantine reference has been removed from the Arrow page now.

Having a look at the page that is not the argument at all (IMHO) - its that the flash's page discusses shows it is directly connected to - either because it is a spinoff of or spins off from the flash. The guest appearance of this character on another show simply doesn't fit on the flash article as written. The information is 'trivial' in wikipedia terms to that article but might fit somewhere else.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Greg Berlantii says that even though Constantine's initial appearance is a one-off thing, he is open to having the character appear again in the future on all three WB/DC shows.

Since those shows all share a universe with “Arrow,” Constantine will technically exist within all three. For now “Arrow” executive producer Greg Berlanti tells Zap2it that Ryan’s appearance is sadly “a one episode thing.”

That doesn’t mean he won’t return, though. “I’ve learned to never say never because so much has happened that I didn’t think would happen with the characters and the shows and the universes that we’re all getting to build and play in,” Berlanti explains.

 

[Christopher]

Behold the Arrow Bunker!

http://www.comicbookresources.com/a...pt-art-reveals-oliver-queens-new-headquarters

Good thing they didn't call it the Archery Bunker. That would've been a meatheaded idea.

Felicity has her own bridge now! How is one person going to work all those consoles? Also, why does this small, secretive superteam need a boardroom table with ten seats? (Well, maybe it's anticipating crossovers with the STAR Labs gang.)

But where's the all-important salmon ladder?

 

[Turtletrekker]

So this means the full continuity includes Arrow, The Flash, Constantine, Vixen, and Legends of Tomorrow. That's a pretty impressive shared universe. And yes, that's a good question about how the Wikis will handle it.

It sounds like this will probably it, for now at least. I don't remember where I read it, so I can't link to it, but one of the articles about the guy in charge of The CW's appearance at the Television Critics Association event going on right now reported that he said they were not going to be doing any more DC shows in the near future. I wouldn't be surprised if we got a replacement show once one of the current and upcoming ones ends, but we probably won't be seeing any more Berlantiverse shows before that.

LA Times article...

 

[Corran Horn]

It'd be nice if they fit Supergirl in there. I know they said not at the onset but it didn't sound like a 'never'.

 

[sojourner]

It'd be nice if they fit Supergirl in there. I know they said not at the onset but it didn't sound like a 'never'.

It's about as close to "never" as it can be.

 

[Corran Horn]

It'd be nice if they fit Supergirl in there. I know they said not at the onset but it didn't sound like a 'never'.

It's about as close to "never" as it can be.

bah, "never" went away when they did cross-promo marketing.