Spoilers Arrow - Season 4
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I'm sorry, I don't see why that distinction matters here. Regardless of whether he's a field officer or not, the CCPD is his employer and the police station is where he works. He reports to Captain Singh and interacts with police officers on a daily basis. Police officers are his colleagues and his friends, not to mention his adoptive father being one. So why wouldn't he care about the death of a police officer, especially one who's the father of a friend and fellow superhero?
This was one of the better episodes I've seen this season. They explored the relationship dynamic between Ollie and Felicity (Ollicity), i.e., the aftermath of Felicity's finding out about Oliver's son. I can see why they picked Cupid as the guest villain again for that purpose. I empathize with Felicity and understand her decision to end the relationship with the love of her life. It wasn't just the lies and secrets. It's Oliver's stubborn inclination to face things alone and unilaterally make decisions when faced with very difficult choices. While he promised not to lie to her again, there's no guarantee he's not going to continue to carry the burden by himself instead of asking for help or advice. I hope Emily Bett Rickards isn't leaving the show.
They even did the intro splash screen with Cupid's arrow. Nice touch.
And of course Ollie can't promise never to keep secrets again.
And of course Ollie can't promise never to keep secrets again.
Everything Olly has done is to save or protect lives and he's been put into impossible situations where he needed to lie. Felicity knows this n if she has a problem then she should leave the Team not just olly, she was acting like a child at times it makes her character unlikable n the show drama melodramatic at best.
The break-up is FAR LESS contrived than the "romance" in the first place. She was a far better fit for Barry or Ray. I have no problem with the break-up... In a way, this is an example of why workplace romances can be a problem.
I missed that part -- but funny,funny. Good on them for noticing fan talk and incorporating when appropriate.
I have zero objection to that. But from the previews, they'll just have Felicity with her mom, so at least for 1 episode, she's still featured.
Yeah...and also wondering about Lance's actions... I guess we'll see where it goes. But it seems like he'd get harsher treatment, no?
This episode also brought home the fact that everyone is on Team Arrow now.
Green Arrow has come a long way, being able to show up at a crime scene like that, talking to the officer in charge and nobody making a fuss about it. He must have been seen by others, esspecially the other police officers.
I didn't find the romance itself contrived - unexpected that they'd actually go there in the first place, but now it just feels 'normal.' This reason for the breakup though, I find horribly contrived. How many episodes ago was it that Felicity was talking to her mom about how men in Captain Lance's position sometimes have to keep secrets? And considering what she knows about the sort of life Oliver lives, and that she's never had a problem before, it just seems stupid and unnecessary plotmaking
It wasn't just about the secrets Oliver was keeping. As Felicity said, Ollie kept defaulting to his old self. He was first alone on the island. He came back to save the city alone. It's his decision to do things unilaterally, but he is not alone on his quest. He has Team Arrow. While I can understand that she ended her relationship with Ollie, it might have been unwise to leave the team altogether.
I don't even think that's true since they came back from Ivy Town. I mean okay, you had the thing where he told Digg to stay with Thea while he went in after Cupid. But that was a minor tactical error (and really it was not keeping an eye on her once he had her restrained that was a bigger deal), it's far from the first time somebody escaped, and I didn't hear Digg complain about the call anyway. Ollie's been all about Team Arrow, and the whole point of his vows was that he doesn't want to be a complete loner.
Even the thing about keeping his son secret was explicitly about not doing things unilaterally but respecting the wishes of his son's mother.
Even the thing about keeping his son secret was explicitly about not doing things unilaterally but respecting the wishes of his son's mother.
I expected someone to say that, but I disagree. I don't think the romance was contrived at all. After all, the original intent was clearly that Oliver and Laurel would end up together, because Green Arrow and Black Canary are the One True Pairing in the comics. The contrivance would've been to keep pushing those together even after it became clear that Amell and Rickards had much better chemistry. I think "Olicity" was a natural outgrowth of the actors' chemistry. And it doesn't feel artificial to me in-story either. After all, they've been working closely together for years and have been through so much together. So I don't have any trouble believing in their romance. But I find it hard to believe that Felicity would give up on the relationship over this one issue. It feels forced.
She broke up with him for hiding the kid from her for Hours in the old timeline.
Short of getting every one to lie to Felicity about how they just met "today" there was no way that Oliver was going to walk out of this with a girlfriend.
Short of getting every one to lie to Felicity about how they just met "today" there was no way that Oliver was going to walk out of this with a girlfriend.
I do agree with you that TV Ollie & Laurel do no have the needed chemistry...but Sara and Ollie did. I am not sure if they realized that before they decided to kill her off.
Also, single people on a team do not always HAVE to get together. That's a trope that gets kind of annoying, and unnecessary.
And one last random thought... the Berlanti crew seem to keep making this mistake...hiring someone to be the romantic interest in a main character, but the chemistry not being there (i.e. Iris, and Carter Hall of LoT). If they have a 4th series, I hope they have a better casting call in that aspect!
I never said they did. That's pretty much the total opposite of what I said, which was that the writers put them into a relationship in response to the actors' mutual chemistry. It wasn't about pairing off the leftovers, it was about doing what the producers of most TV series do, which is pairing off two characters if their actors show good romantic chemistry. Producers want to take advantage of the potentials they discover in their cast members, and that often ends up taking the character arcs in unplanned directions.
Another episode skipped, another apparent good call on my part, from the recaps and reviews I've read. 
The show's been doing exactly what I feared when Ollie and Felicity rode off into the sunset at the end of S3 - gave us Olicity fans what we wanted then, at the price of yanking us around later. Boooooo! 
Here's hoping Laurel's in the grave, that her offing brings Felicity back for good, and the producers find a much better villain story for S4, with relevant flashbacks again, and no more Olicity drama.
The show's been doing exactly what I feared when Ollie and Felicity rode off into the sunset at the end of S3 - gave us Olicity fans what we wanted then, at the price of yanking us around later. Boooooo! Here's hoping Laurel's in the grave, that her offing brings Felicity back for good, and the producers find a much better villain story for S4, with relevant flashbacks again, and no more Olicity drama.
I'm hoping they knew enough in advance that they could have chosen to keep her as the Canary and find some other role for Laurel - they could even have done some sort of story and had them both as Canary's (as they have now) with some other catalyst. Perhaps their mother was killed and Laurel wanted to seek vengeance, and comes under Sara's wing to help her - so she becomes Sara's sidekick but takes on the name Black Canary (similar to Green/Red Arrow in the comics).
So is Dramaqueenicity going to leave Ollie at the end of every episode now? Here's an idea, JUST LEAVE. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
I find her particularly annoying in these situations because, when the actress puts on her whispery, mumbly relationship drama voice, I can't understand a damn thing she's saying. I'll have to watch these on Netflix down the road with captioning on to find out what all the drama was about.
I find her particularly annoying in these situations because, when the actress puts on her whispery, mumbly relationship drama voice, I can't understand a damn thing she's saying. I'll have to watch these on Netflix down the road with captioning on to find out what all the drama was about.
This is the fifth(?) episode just this season that Felicity does the whole "you're lying, yadda yadda" thing.
Not to mention they had that same issue last season as well.
Enough is seriously enough...
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