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Spoilers Arrow - Season 4

Gaith and Old Mixer,

You're both making good points. Yes, the Joker is a good example of a humorous yet extremely dark villain. Though the Joker's humor is subjective and based on the various incarnations.

And for Darkh I agree that the show should've laid out what his plan is much earlier, maybe at the beginning of the season so we would know what the stakes are instead of this vague, amorphous Darkh is 'evil incarnate' thing. It doesn't hold much water or my attention.
 
Vixen's debut...

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I was a little concerned about how they were going to portray her power, but this clip convinced me.
 
The animated show's portrayal of her powers do look good in live action. Her calling on the bird and taking off was especially nice.

I also liked that she didn't just use her magic, she figured out how Darhk's worked and cut him down at the source.
 
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Wow, her first line in live action was almost as bad as the notorious "frog" line from the first X-men movie.
 
"We had an animated encounter last year." I totally expected that they were going to make that pun.

They've actually done a pretty good job staying consistent with the animated show, aside from Vixen's hair length, though I'm not sure how well it would work for someone who wasn't aware of that show. "Huh? There's a magic-using superhero that Ollie met a year ago and who knows Laurel and Barry? When did that happen? Did I miss an episode?" (For that matter, how does she know Laurel?) Anyway, it was a nice surprise that Mari had relevance to the story because of her family history and its relevance to William, as well as her magical powers.

Speedy firing upside-down from the motorcycle was awesome. She gets the best stunts, consistently. I was wondering why that was, and then we got that scene reminding us that Malcolm trained her to be an utter badass.

Well, I guess we can rule out William being the one in the grave. Meanwhile, I could've done without the melodrama of Felicity calling off the wedding. That feels contrived, after everything that happened. And wasn't it premature, when her ability to walk returned, to just walk out and leave her wheelchair behind? What if it's temporary?

They actually did bill Echikunwoke as "Megalyn E. K." here. That's surprising. I don't think she's ever officially gone by that name before.


The animated show's portrayal of her powers do look good in live action. Her calling on the bird and taking off was especially nice.

She didn't really get to do that much physically compared to animation, though, and we just got a few brief glimpses of things like Vixen flying. And that shot of her jumping over Darhk and swiping his totem looked very fake and CG (although I know you posted your comment before that part of the episode). I think this show has a different FX team than The Flash, Legends, and Supergirl, and they're not accustomed to the same level of big metahuman action.
 
Yep...Felicity predictably made it All About Her.

That's why Ollie didn't want to tell her...because he knew she was going to freak out about his having a son no matter when or how she learned about it. He should count his blessings and move on, but I'm sure that we won't be that lucky....
 
In the original timeline she freaked and spun out completely about the lack of trust because he took a weekend to think about it before telling her.

This time around, it was 6 to 8 months he forgot to mention that William existed?

Y'notice how Oliver forgot to mentioned that she went ballistic and dumped him in the (slightly more) original timeline? That it was Barry's advice (and future knowledge) that Felicity was too girly to handle real life?

"Barry, and science, told me that you were a nutball incapable of handling the truth".

In the new Timeline, keeping a secret that fricking big, after they'd spent all that downtime retired in suburbia where nothing menacing was happening, felicity was totally in the right to quit Oliver and Quit team arrow.

1. Felicity hires a temp to take over her duties in the Arrow Cave.

2. Felicity sends Curtis to take over her duties in the Arrow Cave.

3. Felicity severs all ties.

4. Felicity severs all ties and makes her own team to save the city, and when I say team, I mean a private army wearing ATOM Armour.
 
I read an interview with Megalyn in which she said she was expecting to cut her hair shorter to match the character's traditional appearance. In fact she was very happy to do so. But the producers told her they liked how she looked with long hair and wanted her to keep it that way.
 
That's why Ollie didn't want to tell her...because he knew she was going to freak out about his having a son no matter when or how she learned about it. He should count his blessings and move on, but I'm sure that we won't be that lucky....

Wrong. Oliver very explicitly did want to tell Felicity, but Samantha's ultimatum prevented him from doing so. This was made clear both in the pre-Legends crossover and again in this week's episode.

And I'll just leave this here...

Kinda spoilery tweet from Marc Guggenheim
 
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Felicity walking at the end of the show was... lame

I agree. Also, I don't remember exactly what Barry told Oliver about what originally happened the first time around. Did he tell him Felicity left explicitly?

I found it hard to believe Barry would know that Oliver's son was kidnapped (he was the Central City crime scene tech who told Samantha to talk to Barry) without going to Star City to help.
 
He's busy. Zoom. Makes him late for stuff. Kidnappings, funerals...

Has Vixen crossed in the tie-in comics and could she have met with Laurel that way? Thing is, It's FELICITY who was helping Oliver and Barry in the animated series, albeit on the phone, but it's not like she wouldn't have known about it. Cisco was there too.

As for the rest, neat team-up in a week of CW hero crossovers that concludes tonight.Ironic that Felicity uses her newfound legs to literally walk out on Ollie, but he knew is was going to go down this way via Barry's timeline thing earlier this year, if he kept it from her. Melodramatic, yes, but I think the importance of this step in their relationship was not well balanced against everything else happening in the episode.

Nice reference to needing Constantine, and learning that he's literally in hell. Cancellation hell.

Mark
 
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