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Arrow - Season 3

I thought it was a pretty powerful episode. I mean, compare it to the Cupid episode which was ridiculous fluff.

The conversation between Ollie and Ras was pretty deep and brought up legitimate questions. That said, Ras was clearly manipulating him. A decision is made weighing the pro's and con's of both choices. Ras helpfully pointed out the con's of being Arrow and the pro's of becoming Ras.

Ollie, for a change, returned to Starling and opened up to his friends, asking the right question: What have I accomplished? It often seems like any hero is just trying to shovel water out of the ocean. Stop one criminal and another takes its place. That is a lot like real life policing, and also a requirement of on-going storytelling.

There was a lot of self-examination going on in this ep, and it was needed. The characters have made a career of shutting each other out and keeping secrets. This episode, and the last few, started showing the consequences and started showing them becoming aware of the consequences.

Thea goes to Nyssa out of guilt; guilt comes out of a deep seated knowledge that you can't just pretend something hasn't happened. To her surprise, honesty and openness actually works.

Lance is very realistically upset that his daughter is dead, but deep down he knows that was always a strong possibility. What hurt was that people he trusted, Laurel and Arrow, lied to him for months and would have kept lying to him.
Felicity stops raging at Ollie long enough to make a simple, truthful statement, that the team had to face the question of 'why do we do this', and now Ollie has to as well; Ollie isn't special, he has to go through the same process.

We've seen several seasons of characters shutting each other out, and seen the harsh consequences of it. Now we see that THEY are seeing the consequences. This is actually a big step for the show, it is a major revision of how the writers are approaching the storytelling and interpersonal conflict. The show may be moving away, finally, of a soap-opera about a collection of drama-queens.

I'm getting worried that something happened to Akio that will be really upsetting. :(

When Ras put his bleeding hand in the pool I thought, because he had said it was no longer healing him, he would pull it out and it would still be cut, or only partially healed. It healed instantly and left no scar. So it seems Ras is lying about that.
 
So, Captain Lance hates the Arrow. Again. Ugh, Flash has the right idea. Cops who are basically on the same side as the vigilante. I'm beyond sick to death of the hero vs. aggressive cops. Arrow did it for so long, but then took a great turn and stopped doing it. But, now its back. Also, it looks like Ra's will be ruining Oliver's reputation, and the cops will probably try to catch him now as the city turns on him. As The Flash is reaching new heights of awesome, Arrow is falling into irritating cliches. I'm betting this means that the rest of this season of Arrow is going to be intolerable. Also, I'm pretty sure I hate Felicity now more than I hate Iris on Flash, and since Iris has the personality and likeability of a cucumber that's saying something.

I'll keep watching, of course, but I really hate how Arrow fluctuates between being very good and being horrible. This was one of the worst episodes of the season, although unfortunately the show has had too many bad episodes to say it was the worst of the show, or even of the season. Its so frustrating, because I love the show when its good. but, then it does stuff like this and just becomes super irritating.
 
So, Captain Lance hates the Arrow. Again. Ugh, Flash has the right idea. Cops who are basically on the same side as the vigilante. I'm beyond sick to death of the hero vs. aggressive cops. Arrow did it for so long, but then took a great turn and stopped doing it. But, now its back. Also, it looks like Ra's will be ruining Oliver's reputation, and the cops will probably try to catch him now as the city turns on him. As The Flash is reaching new heights of awesome, Arrow is falling into irritating cliches. I'm betting this means that the rest of this season of Arrow is going to be intolerable. Also, I'm pretty sure I hate Felicity now more than I hate Iris on Flash, and since Iris has the personality and likeability of a cucumber that's saying something.

I'll keep watching, of course, but I really hate how Arrow fluctuates between being very good and being horrible. This was one of the worst episodes of the season, although unfortunately the show has had too many bad episodes to say it was the worst of the show, or even of the season. Its so frustrating, because I love the show when its good. but, then it does stuff like this and just becomes super irritating.

The thing is Lance has a legitimate reason to be pissed with the Arrow.
And technically vigilatism is a criminal act.
Lance reminded himself of that to redirect his personal grudge into a lawful investigation again... or will do that.
With Ra's impersonating the Arrow and pinning murders on him, that will give Lance the popular backing he needs.

I don't know if the relationship he had with the Arrow can go back to what it was before, but I am sure there will be some catalyst that rehabilitates him as the hero of the city again.

BTW, that story element is also important to give the Atom a reason to go after Arrow.
 
Why should Atom go after Arrow? That's stupid all by itself. I hate stuff like this, its stupid cliches they should have moved beyond by now. Arrow is far and away the least entertaining of the three good comic shows on TV (the others being Agents of SHIELD and Flash) and its doing stuff like this that really screws it up. Its making some of the same mistakes early Season 1 Agents of SHIELD did. A bunch of cliches, mediocre writing, and not putting any effort into making the main cast likeable (although Felicity is probably more annoying at this point than Season 1 Skye ever was).

I really hope Ray doesn't fight Oliver, that's just going to predispose me to dislike him, and he's not winning any likeability awards anyway by being with the super irritating Felicity. I'm pretty convinced that I'll hate the rest of this season. Hopefully Season 4 is an improvement. Arrow hasn't been able to be consistently good since probably season 1, but as long as it has more good than bad I'll keep watching. I just wish that it didn't get bad right at the end of the season, meaning that we're probably leading up to the worst season finale so far. I am glad that Arrow gets all the cliches and hack writing, so that Flash can be awesome. If one of the shows has to have this stupid stuff, it might as well be Arrow. As long as Flash gets the good stuff, I can handle the bad writing on Arrow.
 
The trailer for the second half of teh season already showed bits of Ray Palmer deciding to fight the Arrow.
It is just now that we know why.
He will be convinced like most other people by Ra's shenanigans that the Arrow goes on a murder spree and needs to be stopped.
He will believe that the Arrow has become the very thing Ray has pledged to protect the city from.
We know that he is in the wrong, but how and why would Ray know?
The only way I can see him being convinced not to is Felicity revealing her connection to him.
 
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Question: How far away is Nanda Parbat from Starling City? It seems Nyssa can travel back and forth at ease in such a short amount of time. I'll bet she doesn't even have to deal with TSA agents at the airport. There's got to be a wormhole someplace we haven't yet seen.[/QUOTE]

If it's in the Yukon, than it's really not that far from Vancouver. Starling. Looks like Boston at night. Geez, it's really hard to know where you are in the Arrowverse, isn't it?
 
I had some thoughts about this episode, but they all went out the window when Oliver ran into Shado. I laughed. I cried. I eagerly await the undoubtedly crazy explanation for this unexpected encounter.
 
Am I the only one wondering what Nyssa is up to this week? :vulcan:

Is she in town to reminisce about her dead lover with her dead lover's sister? :(

Is she in town to try and seduce Laurel into a taking the place of her former lover? :alienblush:

Is she in town because she needs to find a new life/purpose after being disinherited by her father? :klingon:

Or is she in town to forge a relationship with Laurel that she'll use as a weapon against Oliver Queen, the new heir apparent to the league of assassins? :evil:
 
Am I the only one wondering what Nyssa is up to this week? :vulcan:

Is she in town to reminisce about her dead lover with her dead lover's sister? :(

Is she in town to try and seduce Laurel into a taking the place of her former lover? :alienblush:

Is she in town because she needs to find a new life/purpose after being disinherited by her father? :klingon:

Or is she in town to forge a relationship with Laurel that she'll use as a weapon against Oliver Queen, the new heir apparent to the league of assassins? :evil:
She's multitasking.
 
I had some thoughts about this episode, but they all went out the window when Oliver ran into Shado. I laughed. I cried. I eagerly await the undoubtedly crazy explanation for this unexpected encounter.

I actually thought about what the situation could be, and decided that it would be cool (definitely ridiculous, but cool) if it was a twin sister, that later turns out to be/becomes Lady Shiva. Actually, that is way too awesome an idea, and they probably can't use Lady Shiva (even though she's basically a Black Canary villain/supporting character, she might be tied to Batman nowadays). I also know that there is no connection between Shado and Shiva in the comics, but the idea popped into my head and I personally like it.
 
Am I the only one wondering what Nyssa is up to this week? :vulcan:

Is she in town to reminisce about her dead lover with her dead lover's sister? :(

Is she in town to try and seduce Laurel into a taking the place of her former lover? :alienblush:

Is she in town because she needs to find a new life/purpose after being disinherited by her father? :klingon:

Or is she in town to forge a relationship with Laurel that she'll use as a weapon against Oliver Queen, the new heir apparent to the league of assassins? :evil:
She's multitasking.


Ahhhh, so you are going for choice "e"... "All of the above."

You're probably right. :rommie:
 
Sarah is Lance-lite.

Sure you give it a try, it seems like a good idea, but eventually you'll gravitate to the superior Lance.

Lance is to Smoak as RC Cola is to Pepsi.

It's almost like she's tracking Oliver.
 
Am I the only one wondering what Nyssa is up to this week? :vulcan:

Is she in town to reminisce about her dead lover with her dead lover's sister? :(

Is she in town to try and seduce Laurel into a taking the place of her former lover? :alienblush:

Is she in town because she needs to find a new life/purpose after being disinherited by her father? :klingon:

Or is she in town to forge a relationship with Laurel that she'll use as a weapon against Oliver Queen, the new heir apparent to the league of assassins? :evil:

It's the last one, no question. All the other options are too passive for Nyssa. She wouldn't just accept being robbed of her birthright, she'd try to do something about it.
 
Was that scene at the end the first time we've actually seen Nyssa in normal clothes?
I really enjoyed this one. I was glad that Oliver actually thought about Ra's request. I can see where it could be a tempting offer.
I actually don't mind Lance turning on The Arrow again, it does make sense given what's happened.
Not quite sure what the make of Shado there at the end. I'm assuming if it is her that something must happened that would keep Oliver from being able to tell Slade that she was still alive.
I'm glad to finally get definitive proof that we are dealing with the Lazarus Pits.
I am curious to see where they are going with Nyssa. Like Christopher said, I don't really see her just forgetting about her losing the leadership of the League. I hope she sticks around for a while.
I'm assuming framing Oliver for murder was Ra's's plan all along.
 
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