Are you depressed over bad reviews or simply don't give a F--?!

[Mage]

I really don't care what others think. They're entitled to their opinion, as am I. Hardcore fans are looking for things wrong with this show, because it doesn't fit in what they believe is the 'true Trek Universe'. As for paid reviewers..... I don't read those anymore. It's all about clickbait these days, and when something as big as new Star Trek appears and people are negative... Well, your site gets all the clicks from Trekkies, won't it?

I know I'm sounding arrogant as f*ck here, but I don't care about the opinions of whoever's on the interwebz. I care about what I like, and that's it. The rest can go and have a flying f*ck as far as I care.

 

[Vger23]

Yes, and those are awesome and memorable because they are part of a mix. There's more to the various shows than the episodes you've cherry picked to make your point. Deep Space Nine had its moments, but I largely tuned out of the war arc precisely because the mix was heading more towards tedious grim-dark stories.

No one has said there shouldn't be dark episodes, but I (and I only speak for me alone) am against having Trek that is nothing but war and dark, unlikable characters.

To me, Star Trek is escapism. I get plenty of "the world is crumbling" stories from pretty much every other drama on the air.

Since we're only 80 minutes into the 15-episode story arc (and not even engaged in the primary story or setting yet)...I'd assume that your attitude would be one of hopeful optimism since there's plenty of opportunity left for the series to meet your expectations of a balanced and Trek-like mix!

 

[Mudd]

The audience "LIked It" score has dropped to 59% at Rotten Tomatoes.

 

[BillJ]

Since we're only 80 minutes into the 15-episode story arc...I'd assume that your attitude would be one of hopeful optimism since there's plenty of opportunity left for the series to meet your expectations of a balanced and Trek-like mix!

I hope so. But nothing the producers have said make me believe that will be the case. We shall see.

 

[Mage]

I get plenty of "the world is crumbling" stories from pretty much every other drama on the air.

Don't you mean the news??

 

[Roald]

The audience "LIked It" score has dropped to 59% at Rotten Tomatoes.

I really believe there's a large group out there that is systematically keeping the rating low artificially... I am also convinced that a much larger group actually likes DSC but they don't vote.... I myself have never voted at IMDB or RT... and I'm guessing there are many, many people like me...

 

[guyute03]

I try hard to not get depressed by what people say on the Internet. Real life is hard enough.

 

[Blamo]

There are very few youtube/blog critics I care for. Some of them rely on anger inducing reviews to keep their views up, some of them are very stuck on what appeals to them and are even less unbiased than mainstream reviews.

Some are frankly deeply unpleasant and unhinged people (the sort who go, "I'm not racist, but...").

There are a few I can stand like SFDebris. I disagree with them now and again, but atleast the points they make seem considered, thoughtful and with some objectivity.

 

[Mage]

I really believe there's a large group out there that is systematically keeping the rating low artificially... I am also convinced that a much larger group actually likes DSC but they don't vote.... I myself have never voted at IMDB or RT... and I'm guessing there are many, many people like me...

Exactly this! I don't vote on any of those sites. I loved the first two episodes. A lot of the people voting against would have probably really liked Discover, except that Klingons looked different and phasers weren't beams, so let's murder all the producers that don't cater to our whims!!

PS, for those that are butthurt right now..... Really, that's what you sound like....

 

[Vger23]

I really believe there's a large group out there that is systematically keeping the rating low artificially... I am also convinced that a much larger group actually likes DSC but they don't vote.... I myself have never voted at IMDB or RT... and I'm guessing there are many, many people like me...

I've never voted on any of those official polls...ever.

Because what frigging difference does it make? My "up vote" sure has hell isn't going to change someone with a biased agenda toward wanting the show to fail...so why waste time?

I'd much rather debate with people who are "on the edge" with regard to their opinion than someone who is so negative and oppositional that it is simply a waste of time and only gives them the attention and conflict they crave.

 

[The Overlord]

I have seen a lot of good reviews of this show, it has 86% on Rotten tomatoes, I think that matters more then what some fanboy on imdb says.

 

[SJA]

I would have been more concerned if the mainstream media critics had butchered it! For I would have imagined them - having less preconceptions/prejudices about what Trek should be -would have viewed it with a more open mind - and which - as it's RT score was 86% last time I checked - they clearly seem to have done! I'm not saying that Disc was perfect - or without problems or irritations- it blatantly was not - few Trek premiers have been - but the vast majority of these IMDB, AITCN you-tube 'reviewers' I feel quite clearly have gone into watching the show intent on being 'outraged and offended' - whether it be by the Klingon design or some other violation! But the hysterical - completely OTT nature of some of their reactions/comments I find actually negates some of their legitimate concerns about the elements in the show, that I too find to be problematic! They are all entitled to their opinions naturally - it's the fundamentalist nature of their hectoring I find depressing - oh and the way that the Orville - a show I find personally not to my tastes - but don't feel the need to slag off constantly - being held up as the personification of what 'Trek' should be - infuriating asinine - but perhaps that's because I was always a DS9 fan and never enjoyed The Next Gen much! But hey 'tis only my opinion! Hopefully tonight's ep will sway a few doubters!

 

[Nyotarules]

Are these reviewers responsible for wiping my butt?

 

[Roald]

I'm doubting the '1/10 reviewers' on imdb are really fanboys..... Some are saying things like 'This is even worse than DS9'... Seems a lot of people are giving 1/10 votes for other reasons than being geniunely disappointed with the show; I think many of them aren't even real Trekkers...

 

[F. King Daniel]

Nobody expected anything from The Orville, most who come to it see it as a pleasant surprise. Discovery comes with a metric fuckton of baggage and expectation. It has to be everything to everybody.

 

[dahj]

I'm doubting the '1/10 reviewers' on imdb are really fanboys....

Supergirl got a bunch of 1s for being "feminist propaganda".
The same bunch of people are probably targeting Discovery now for being "diversity propaganda" or whatever those idiots think is "wrong" with it...

 

[Roald]

Supergirl got a bunch of 1s for being "feminist propaganda".
The same bunch of people are probably targeting Discovery now for being "diversity propaganda" or whatever those idiots think is "wrong" with it...

True.

 

[Albinator]

Yes, and those are awesome and memorable because they are part of a mix. There's more to the various shows than the episodes you've cherry picked to make your point. Deep Space Nine had its moments, but I largely tuned out of the war arc precisely because the mix was heading more towards tedious grim-dark stories.

No one has said there shouldn't be dark episodes, but I (and I only speak for me alone) am against having Trek that is nothing but war and dark, unlikable characters.

To me, Star Trek is escapism. I get plenty of "the world is crumbling" stories from pretty much every other drama on the air.

Key words there, "to you."

Star Trek over its 50 years has been MANY things, as you yourself say ("part of a mix") from light hearted humorous fare to grim-dark war stories, to everything in between.

We've seen essentially ONE whole episode of Discovery. It's actually not nearly as dark and grim as the doomsayers feared. There is plenty of light character moments, very little bloodshed, and even a bit of fun and optimism. Go watch the opening episode to Deep Space Nine, and you'll see a very similar episode in tone, simply with a lower budget, and less cinematic direction.

And even if this ONE episode turns out to be representative of the whole season, I think, as you say, it's part of a mix-- we have the darker more serious stuff on DSC and DS9, the fun escapism of TOS and TNG, the "middle ground" of VOY and ENT, and the bombastic action of the JJ films.

Relax your butthole and maybe you'll enjoy the ride.

 

[Albinator]

Nobody expected anything from The Orville, most who come to it see it as a pleasant surprise. Discovery comes with a metric fuckton of baggage and expectation. It has to be everything to everybody.

A good point. But the difference is that Orville was aimed at an audience with very little discerning interests-- they are viewers with a broad spectrum of acceptance in this style of "comedy"-- broad humor, paper thin story. It only had to deliver that much to be accepted and enjoyed.

By contrast. Discovery was aimed at perhaps the most discerning and discriminating (not in the race/bigoted sense) audience that exists: Star Trek fans. An audience with 50 years of shows and movies to compare and contrast, an audience that is infamous for being skeptical, and slow to accept anything new and different.

I am confident in a year or two that the Trekkie audience tearing it to pieces today will be it's most vocal defenders.

Remember, there was a LARGE contingent of TOS fans that continued to criticize and support boycott of TNG well into its 3rd season. I recently saw posted a flyer from 1989 telling fans to stop watching TNG and go see STV a few more times in the theater...

Talk about misguided!

 

[davejames]

Given that the vast majority of criticism from fanboys seems to be simply about the visual aspects of the show (the look of the ships and technology, the look of the Klingons, etc) over more fundamental things like story and character, I don't put much stock in it.