I think it's gotten to the point now that being a complete arsehole is considered socially acceptable. Especially on the internet.
Are you depressed over bad reviews or simply don't give a F--?!
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I think it's gotten to the point now that being a complete arsehole is considered socially acceptable. Especially on the internet.
There's that, which was probably going to happen to any show in our current political climate. And there's the standard "not what came before" and "not the direction I wanted" that every new Trek gets from some of the fans. But then Discovery is also the first Trek series to have a sizeable faction of Trek fandom that might actually be gunning for the destruction of CBS produced Trek, due to the Axanar nonsense. I hope CBS is aware of that factor, and willing to ride it out.
It's not as sizable as you might think. Those obsessive Axanar people are maybe in the hundreds. I know they had a few thousand supporters, but how many do you think are so pro-Axanar they'd actively try to kill bonafide Trek?
Again, it's simply a case of the vocal minority. I think CBS is wise to simply ignore them.
And people giving 1 star ratings because of the AA-thing.... The way I see it DSC literally has several very vocal (at least online) hate groups... The 'I'm not racist, but...'-camp, the 'Axanar is true Trek so support Orville and strike down CBS'-camp, the 'I'm not paying'-camp... These camps would have given 1 star ratings no matter how DSC might have turned out, 'cause they were predetermined to do so. I'm not saying EVERYONE who is negative about DSC belongs to one of these camps and that their opinions are not genuine. But there sure seem to be a lot of them....
True, but I bet that just about EVERY one of these hundreds gave negative ratings, perhaps even multiple times, and I wouldn't rule out that they actually collectively agreed upon this ('cause they wanna bury CBS, it's like 'The Wrath Of Alec' or something, the bitterness is incredible)... I think that of the people that love DSC, only a few would take the time to rate it on RT or IMDB...
Isn't that what I said........? Have no problem with that, it's their opinion.
You do realize, of the people that dislike what they've seen so far, only a fraction get into rating these things? I find Rotten Tomatoes a tool, to a degree, but have never rated anything on there.
I'm depressed that the fan reaction is as positive as it is, and that the show appears to be turning into an action franchise. I think negative reviewers are doing a good thing in that they might steer the show in a better direction for season 2. CBS thinks they have to copy Game of Thrones and Walking Dead in order to make a series in 2017, but I don't think that's true. I think we can still have optimistic Star Trek about exploration and cool sci-fi ideas in 2017.
True, in fact I think MOST people don't vote on RT. I've never done so myself. But I honestly think that certain groups have made this plan to collectively try to bury CBS/DSC out of spite and that their mission was: everybody head out online and post as many bad reviews you can!
Maybe it's just me trying to rationalize things, trying to justify the low ratings... But look at the critics score opposed to the audience score and tell me you don't think something fishy is going on there..? The difference is too big, it's just off...
Why do you think that?
Every place seems very consistent: more people like it than don't, but it's not a huge hit with the viewers.
The Orville has the same issue, but going the other way. And I don't believe critics were trying to sink it just because.
That's funny, I do not see DSC as an action show, I see it as a drama that has action in it. TOS had action, just not the budget to make it exciting. TNG had action, and it was a bit more intense thanks to a higher budget. DS9 had loads of action, as did VOY and ENT. And I don't think it was any more than what we've seen on DSC.
It's not uncommon for audience scores to be a lot higher than critics: the average audience member can readily appreciate the drama and art of well-written/well produced TV and movies, but high brow critics often have a hard time appreciating the reverse.
I disagree. I think it is a big hit with viewers. But I think when reviews come in, the vocal minority is being EXCEPTIONALLY VOCAL.
Look at social media: when the reaction is a quick and easy one to make (a single click), the LIKES heavily outweighs the DISLIKES. By a WIDE margin.
But where reviews are concerned-- where the reaction means taking time to log in, post a sentence, or rate something with more than a single click, the NEGATIVES heavily outweighs the POSITIVES.
That's because the vocal minority is so vocal, they're willing to take the time to trash it because they're angry and infantile.
You think the 59% RT score is a realistic reflection of the audience score? I'm not saying I would have expected 95% but come on... there's something going on.
I think the critics just didn't get it. And you have people giving Orville high scores en masse as a way to say 'FU!' to CBS. So those scores are off too.
Maybe I'm just rambling here, forgive me. All I'm saying is (and I think many here agree with me on this) is that many negative votes (not all) were given out of reasons unrelated to the quality of the show.
So everything is a conspiracy against Discovery? Got it.
I've said a couple of times that it's not EVERYONE or EVERYTHING... If you take my words out of context and put an extreme spin on them, you always win... not a nice thing to do BillJ.
Your the one that said the reason The Orville is rating so high is as an FU to CBS.
Maybe people just like it?
There's a difference between having action scenes and being primarily action-driven. TNG and Voyager were always primarily about exploration, with occasional action scenes, but often with plots resolved entirely without violence. DS9 had a different tone, and had many core ideas of the Federation challenged, but still the action scenes weren't there for their own sake. Really good DS9 episodes like Duet had almost no action. But Discovery's plot is very simplistic. A cult leader is trying to unite the Klingon houses to attack the Federation. There's just not much storytelling you can do without introducing something more interesting than two fleets of ships shooting at each other.
The Voyager pilot had an action scene at the end, but it also had cool sci-fi elements like the Caretaker's search for a compatible mate, an underground civilization, a species with a 9-year lifespan. The dilemmas over whether to trade Starfleet technology, which was desperately needed in order to replicate food and water, or to obey the prime directive. The dilemma over whether to protect the Ocampa or to use the Caretaker array to return home.
There were so many more creative ideas in that episode than in the Discovery pilot, even though it wasn't perfect. The same applies to Encounter at Farpoint and The Emissary. I just wish the Discovery writers were willing to take risks instead of doing a simplistic action story.
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