Thank you!Done.
Are you depressed over bad reviews or simply don't give a F--?!
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Most people don't behave like that.
I don’t disagree. But some people do behave like that. They’re very strange.
That's pretty much every ST show. Let's see what happens at the end of the season.
It was meant hyperbolically (Geez, how do you spell that???); to me, GOT is awfully close to being praised universally (and that does bug me sometimes.......)The reviews seem pretty accurate to me.
People don't universally like it, so you can't get "universal praise."
Somewhere over half of the people who've watched it like it. CBS isn't going to cancel it. Be happy with that.
Of course the percentage will improve. People who don't like it will stop watching, duh.
This, and hopefully it will bring in people by word of mouth, that haven't given it a chance this far.
I’d like it to get better before word of mouth kicks in. Right now I’m waiting for a big gut punching wow moment. Haven’t gotten that yet.
Why the hell would anyone get depressed over bad reviews? Critics can't tell you what to enjoy. If you like something, screw them!
No show, film, book, play, etc. is so good that someone, somewhere, will not hate it. The reverse also applies.
No show, film, book, play, etc. is so good that someone, somewhere, will not hate it. The reverse also applies.
It's amazing how many people I've hit the "ignore" button on in the last 7 days.
Nah...most of the really negative stuff comes from people who want to see the show fail for whatever reason. It's trite and boring at this point:
1. Canon!!! Reboot/not a reboot??? Doesn't look like The Cage!
2. Klingons are not Klingons without 30-year old prosthetics and uniforms!
3. I want a Post-Nemesis show (this is the big one...I've read where people have written that they want the show to fail because the quicker it fails, the quicker they'll realize this is the show the fans want. Most people on this board are more subtle, even if this is their true feeling).
4. Grimdark/war stories aren't Star Trek!!! (Really? See universally loved Trek outings Balance of Terror, Errand of Mercy, TWOK, TUC, Best of Both Worlds, Yesterday's Enterprise, and 4 beloved seasons of DS9)
5. Scrooooo yooooooouuuu CBS you evil money-hungry bastids!!!
6. I'm a fruitcake who isn't even a Trek fan who is going to crap on the diversity being attempted.
That's like 85% of it. All meaningless, pedantic drivel being flung around by people with nothing better to do than spread their own misery.
The remaining 15% is legit, meaning fans or consumers who have yet to be captivated by the story or characters and aren't coming from a place of biased agenda. And you're always going to have fallout there because everyone has different tastes...but this one doesn't bother me either because the story and characters are still developing, so the outlook here is ongoing. And as said, severyone likes different stuff...so I don't expect universal approval.
Nah...most of the really negative stuff comes from people who want to see the show fail for whatever reason. It's trite and boring at this point:
1. Canon!!! Reboot/not a reboot??? Doesn't look like The Cage!
2. Klingons are not Klingons without 30-year old prosthetics and uniforms!
3. I want a Post-Nemesis show (this is the big one...I've read where people have written that they want the show to fail because the quicker it fails, the quicker they'll realize this is the show the fans want. Most people on this board are more subtle, even if this is their true feeling).
4. Grimdark/war stories aren't Star Trek!!! (Really? See universally loved Trek outings Balance of Terror, Errand of Mercy, TWOK, TUC, Best of Both Worlds, Yesterday's Enterprise, and 4 beloved seasons of DS9)
5. Scrooooo yooooooouuuu CBS you evil money-hungry bastids!!!
6. I'm a fruitcake who isn't even a Trek fan who is going to crap on the diversity being attempted.
That's like 85% of it. All meaningless, pedantic drivel being flung around by people with nothing better to do than spread their own misery.
The remaining 15% is legit, meaning fans or consumers who have yet to be captivated by the story or characters and aren't coming from a place of biased agenda. And you're always going to have fallout there because everyone has different tastes...but this one doesn't bother me either because the story and characters are still developing, so the outlook here is ongoing. And as said, severyone likes different stuff...so I don't expect universal approval.
Like I've said before...and I think it's a very legit and important point when you're looking at "audience and critical reactions" at this point:
I'd LOVE to see those scores in real time for each Star Trek series this early in the game. I am quite certain they wouldn't be in the 80 and 70 percentile.
Remember, the scores you see on these Trek series are post-broadcast in most cases...after the entire series has aired. Not after 2-4 hours of exposure.
Apples and oranges at this stage. Apples and oranges.
I'm in total agreement. If I didn't value my own opinion over the "experts", I would have skipped the latest Pirates of the Caribbean film. Turns out I found it fun and highly enjoyable, even with a few significant, surprising canon violations. A Trek audience would have rioted.
In that spirit, critic reviews are more what you'd call 'guidelines' than actual rules. Apply a grain of salt accordingly.
I also don't give a fuck because I'm generally contrarian on what the "majority" thinks about Star Trek (see "Coming Out" thread):
1. Third season TOS rocks
2. I love TFF...LOVE it
3. First two seasons of TNG are great
4. "Measure of a Man" is dull dull dull and cliched
5. "Yesterday's Enterprise" is a wasted hour of reset button porn
6. I'm finding ENT far easier to get through than a TNG rewatch.
7. I think NEM is tied for best TNG movie
8. I find TUC and TVH to be amongst the weaker films in the franchise.
Soooo...if I gave a rat's ass what anyone else thought, I'd have been out of the game a long time ago.
A looooonnnng time ago
1. Third season TOS rocks
2. I love TFF...LOVE it
3. First two seasons of TNG are great
4. "Measure of a Man" is dull dull dull and cliched
5. "Yesterday's Enterprise" is a wasted hour of reset button porn
6. I'm finding ENT far easier to get through than a TNG rewatch.
7. I think NEM is tied for best TNG movie
8. I find TUC and TVH to be amongst the weaker films in the franchise.
Soooo...if I gave a rat's ass what anyone else thought, I'd have been out of the game a long time ago.
A looooonnnng time ago
I believe this is truly the case of disgruntled Trekkies upset that it isn't like TOS or 90s Trek, and as a result pounding their chests and making their voices as loud as possible to drown out the positive reviews.
I guarantee you there is a large contingent of fans creating multiple accounts so they can post 4 or 5 bad reviews to bring down the user rating.
Rarely-- VERY RARELY is the audience rating so far below the critic ratings. The other way around is pretty common (audiences tend to be able to appreciate the artsy stuff a little more than critics are the lowbrow stuff)...
...but in 2017, the only other shows on RT to have a fresh critic rating but a rotten audience rating (minimum 30 critic reviews) are American Horror Story (76 to 54), and Young Sheldon (74 to 58).
But the differences in those scores are "only" 18 and 16 points respectively, whereas Star Trek: Discovery's 86% critic to 59% audience is a massive 27 points. Very suspicious, if you ask me.
I think there is a very angry and vocal, disgruntled Trek audience out there going out of their way to disparage Discovery, while propping up Orville, purely out of spite.
I guarantee you there is a large contingent of fans creating multiple accounts so they can post 4 or 5 bad reviews to bring down the user rating.
Rarely-- VERY RARELY is the audience rating so far below the critic ratings. The other way around is pretty common (audiences tend to be able to appreciate the artsy stuff a little more than critics are the lowbrow stuff)...
...but in 2017, the only other shows on RT to have a fresh critic rating but a rotten audience rating (minimum 30 critic reviews) are American Horror Story (76 to 54), and Young Sheldon (74 to 58).
But the differences in those scores are "only" 18 and 16 points respectively, whereas Star Trek: Discovery's 86% critic to 59% audience is a massive 27 points. Very suspicious, if you ask me.
I think there is a very angry and vocal, disgruntled Trek audience out there going out of their way to disparage Discovery, while propping up Orville, purely out of spite.
Absolutely. And it's so repetitive (going all the way back to 2009) and obvious at this point...I actually feel kind of sad about it because every time it comes around, it just feels desperate, unoriginal and pathetic, and it makes the fanbase look like a bunch of dweebs.
Yes, and those are awesome and memorable because they are part of a mix. There's more to the various shows than the episodes you've cherry picked to make your point. Deep Space Nine had its moments, but I largely tuned out of the war arc precisely because the mix was heading more towards tedious grim-dark stories.
No one has said there shouldn't be dark episodes, but I (and I only speak for me alone) am against having Trek that is nothing but war and dark, unlikable characters.
To me, Star Trek is escapism. I get plenty of "the world is crumbling" stories from pretty much every other drama on the air.
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