What he said. In truth, I think the rest of fandom is more eager to kick us out than we are to remove ourselves...as if kicking us out would eliminate all criticism of the other shows and everyone else would live happily ever after in complete agreement that all the other Trek shows were all A+++ great 100% of the time. Or...at least that's the way we are treated by some fans.....
^ I admit that I have a hatred of one particular series, but I am still a fan of Star Trek. I actually watched all the episodes of that series, and still walked away hating it. However, I don't hate the fans who like it. I don't even hate them for liking it. I tried to like the last series, too. Even watched every episode on Sci-Fi Channel to no avail. I don't think it is right to claim "ass-kissing" because someone likes something you haven't even seen or don't like. I will never resort to name-calling just because someone has a different opinion.
Am I a ST fan? I have never been as excited to see a new series as I was in the Summer of 1966. The NBC promos showing the NCC-1701 doing a flyby of a planet were tremendously exciting to my 12 year old self. However, there are still episodes of TOS I have never seen. By the third season TOS had gotten boring and stupid. Spock's Brain?!?!? Wink of an Eye?!?!? I watched TNG for a few seasons, but around season 4 or 5 they did two "dream sequence" episodes in a row and I realized that the entire Star Trek universe was bankrupt of imagination. The very name "Deep Space 9" was moronic - I mean, what we used to call the far away North West Territories is now Ohio. Today's "Deep Space" is tomorrow's just down the street. I watched some episodes of DS9 anyway, but got annoyed by the Space Jews and other plot inanities. I have never seen an episode of Voyager - just seeing a photo of Neelix was enough to keep me away. I gave ENT a really good try. I *wanted* to like it, but couldn't handle more than a couple of episodes. ::headdesks:: The movies: TWoK was the high point. The best depiction of ship on ship space combat Trek has ever seen. Nemesis and Insurrection were so bad I was glad to see the franchise die a well deserved death. I met a guy who worked on ST XI. He couldn't tell me anything specific (NDA), but he was wildly enthusiastic. He described it as "Star Wars meets Blade Runner, with Star Trek characters". I cringed. I fear the worst.
I cringe with thee. I fear: Trek 90210 The Adventures of the Young James Kirk Star Trek Academy Trek predestiny story More contrived time travel More b.s. technobabble Nonsensical phaser battles Starships that fly like jet aircraft Starships that look like they wandered off a Star Wars movie Making everything cute and tidy Being consistent with ENT and therefore not consistent with TOS Everything bad we've had since the '80s to the nth degree. Actually I don't really fear those things because I don't care what they do anymore. I have the Star Trek I like and they can't take it away from me. I've just come to accept that the kind of Star Trek I'd like to see is very unlikely to appear ever again. The best chance that I could see what I'd like is for something else to come along that isn't Trek, but perpetuates what I loved about the original.
Warning noted. Please point me to the thread which discusses the greedy, avaricious, money grubbing Ferengi in positive, uplifting tones so I may apologize for offending them.
I definitely consider myself a Trek fan. Everyone who likes anything Trek (be it shows, films, books, comics, or whatever) can be. It doesn't matter one damn bit *what* Trek you like. You are not less of a Trek fan if your favorite Trek show is something other than TOS , or if you liked Nemesis just as much as First Contact. It's ALL good.
Oh come on, I just told you guys to knock it off. One Warning for Flaming, send comments via PM I'll leave this thread open, since all but a few people are being civil.
Referring to them as "Space Jews" is really offensive. I don't know how anyone couldn't have a problem with that. I certainly do.
I'm very confused. Do you attach these connotations to Jewish people? Or do you feel that the portrayal of Ferengi in Star Trek reinforced a stereotype which you do not appreciate?