Amazing! I never thought "Gorn", the trope, would cross over with "Gorn", the ST alien ... but I see them converging.
Are there too many white people in Star Trek?
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Amazing! I never thought "Gorn", the trope, would cross over with "Gorn", the ST alien ... but I see them converging.
The vast bulk of Mexico, central America, and South America is mixed. This is usually called "Mestizo" but different countries apply different names. With the exception of Uruguay, the white (Spanish- and don't intermarry)populations of Latin American countries is a small minority, mostly the upper class.
The third group is the truly native descendants, such as the different Mayan tribes, and thousand others.
The fourth group is the black population. In Panama, this group is called "Afro-Arameans." names can vary here also.
Almost all Hispanic immigrants to the U.S. from the 2nd group.
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That's cool. How long have you been in U.S.?
I'm not disputing any of the above, and am quite aware of it.
What I was saying was how B'Elana as portrayed on Voyager was more or less treated as a "white" Human character, unless the story called for her to go full Klingon for a given episode.
20 years as of this past January.
Yes, the only indication of B'elanna's human cultural background was her last name. But human culture in the 24th century seems rather Americanized for the most part... that includes Harry Kim, too.
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That's the current trend, but 4 centuries is a long time. More than enough time to make major cultural shifts not only possible, but very likely.
Sure, but immigrant communities still tend to maintain their cultural identity. Culturally, Harry just seems to be mainstream American. To me, being from the same community that he's supposed to be from, that looks inaccurate. But of course, we're talking about the far future, a time when Earth's cultural dynamics are so different that Frenchmen from France speak English (and French!) with an English accent, Scotsmen have an accent that's way different from any real-life Scottish people, and Chakotay has a culture that is unlike any real First Peoples/Native American nation or tribe.
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Captain Hernandez is also Latin American. Ethnic backgrounds have no bearing on Trek. Nor would they today in a professional environment such as a government agency today that has a rank hierarchy(insert desired organization). It's simply irrelevant. Everyone wears a uniform and becomes part of a greater family with a united purpose.
I think Trek has well exceeded whatever quota Fandom can drum up for it. We also can't judge a 20, a 30, or a 50 year old show by what our modern sensibilities are at the moment.
If B'elanna is white, than so is Chakotay. Or does that flute heard in the background make all the difference?
I think Trek has well exceeded whatever quota Fandom can drum up for it. We also can't judge a 20, a 30, or a 50 year old show by what our modern sensibilities are at the moment.
If B'elanna is white, than so is Chakotay. Or does that flute heard in the background make all the difference?
Nor was Torres. See Voyager writers guide. Are you saying that these characters were acting "too white?" Or that they weren't acting "non white" enough? Hernandez and Torres were visibly brown, consciously put forward as Latin American.
In Fact: Both Robert Beltran, and Roxanne Dawson were nominated for numerous ALMA Awards, including each an NCLR Bravo award. And Robert Beltran won a Nosotros Golden Eagle Award in 2007 for Outstanding Actor in a Television Series.
These are all Latino award ceremonies.
In Fact: Both Robert Beltran, and Roxanne Dawson were nominated for numerous ALMA Awards, including each an NCLR Bravo award. And Robert Beltran won a Nosotros Golden Eagle Award in 2007 for Outstanding Actor in a Television Series.
These are all Latino award ceremonies.
I'm actually more or less agreeing with you that by the 24th Century race would be seen as a social construct. Was just pointing out that the character Erika Hernandez was never explicitly stated to be Latin American. The only inference we have is her last name, so she could just as easily be Spanish, or the descendant of Spaniards who immigrated to Australia for all we know.
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Mayweather's ex in the Terra Prime story was white.
What are you even talking about? Gannet Brooks was a reporter covering the conference in the Terra Prime story who did indeed have a relationship with Mayweather in the past. The two even have sex before Archer accuses her of being a Terra Prime spy, though in the end it turns out she was recruited by Starfleet Intelligence to route out a Terra Prime spy aboard the NX-01.
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