She certainly did not want to go that way. I talked to that chicken just days ago, and she told me she wanted an honorable death like that of a Klingon.
She certainly did not want to go that way. I talked to that chicken just days ago, and she told me she wanted an honorable death like that of a Klingon.
Iguana Tonante,
However once a certain threshold is reached, say humans, even if greater thresholds exist, I think it shouldn't matter and the rights any creature of the human threshold or higher should have equal rights.
I'm not sure I remember what the original quote, but if we agree that sounds good. Regardless once a certain threshold is achieved, creatures equal or above that threshold should be considered equal. This would effectively set humans and anything above humans on the top plateau.
However once a certain threshold is reached, say humans, even if greater thresholds exist, I think it shouldn't matter and the rights any creature of the human threshold or higher should have equal rights.
I'm not sure I remember what the original quote, but if we agree that sounds good. Regardless once a certain threshold is achieved, creatures equal or above that threshold should be considered equal. This would effectively set humans and anything above humans on the top plateau.
But isn't rights starting at the human level rather convenient? A bit like George Orwell's "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
Zamease,
I simply stated humans as an example simply because we often compare things in relation to humans. But the standard could be set lower, say a chimpanzee for example
I simply stated humans as an example simply because we often compare things in relation to humans. But the standard could be set lower, say a chimpanzee for example
All right then, I'll call off my barnyard hit squad. I hope I'm not too late.
Zamease,
Thank you very much...
Thank you very much...
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So far, then, the general idea is that there are many sentient animals, at least to a degree, but there are no sapient animals that we know of. Correct?
Ah, but do you know for sure that humans aren't tasty?
On a more serious note, can we get back to topic?
Actually, I believe DevilEyes was making a serious point: If the reason that we eat animals is just because they taste good, then it should be all right to eat humans if they taste good--otherwise, it's speciesism.
Obviously it's not acceptable to eat humans
Why is it obvious that it's not acceptable to eat humans, but it is acceptable to eat other animals? Real reasons please. Not just because humans say so: If might made right, then there would be no reason to protect children, the poor, or the weak.
I don't think it's really right to eat any sentient creature. I could probably go without pork, i've never eaten a dolphin, a monkey or ape, certainly not another human. If magpies, and seagulls are sentient (It came up in this thread that they were), that's not a problem either, I've never eaten a seagull, or a magpie.
Are arthropods sentient? Because if so, I could live on lobster, crawfish, crabs, and tarantulas (Some cultures in South East Asia eat them, almost anything with garlic is fucking delicious)
Are arthropods sentient? Because if so, I could live on lobster, crawfish, crabs, and tarantulas (Some cultures in South East Asia eat them, almost anything with garlic is fucking delicious)
Zamease,
How is cabbage sentient?
How is cabbage sentient?
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Cabbage doesn't have a central nervous system, neither does it seem to be self aware.
Self aware, no--aware, yes. Sun flowers follow the sun. Vines will grow towards a stake. If, after a couple of days, you move the stake to the other side of the vine, it will grow in that direction. It will keep this up until, after many times, it gives up. This is awareness, and we find it in all plant life.
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That's not conscious awareness.
I have a motorized solar panel that tracks the sun. Is it aware too?
It is all to do with how one side of the plant stem is getting more light than the other side. The darker side undergoes more cell division, causing it to grow more, so causing the stem to arch into the light.
It's the same reason why plants in the dark go straggly, as there's more cell division all round.
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