Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Citiprime, Nov 13, 2022.
yeah, this is what I’ve always assumed.
“Federation One” maybe?
Just to clarify, the Klingon pronunciation of "Qo'noS" occurs within TUC itself. You can hear it in Chang's statement to the court. "Qo'noS wa'" is the Klingon name for "Kronos One." Since Okrand worked on Klingon dialog in TUC, he must have come up with it specifically for the movie, undoubtedly as an adaptation of the name "Kronos" that was used in the English dialog, and then incorporated the word into the 1992 edition of the dictionary.
Also a possibility! In the novels, a civilian ship carrying the President was named Paris One and Starfleet ships carrying the President were called Starfleet One.
In real life, of course, an aircraft carrying the U.S. President receives the "X One" call sign for whatever military service branch is operating the craft -- Air Force One, Marine One, Army One, Navy One, Coast Guard One, Space Force One. A civilian craft carrying the President is supposed to use the call sign Executive One. And of course, there are lots of other aircraft naming traditions in other countries for their heads of government or state aircraft.
Ah, that makes sense. I should've realized that. Still, it's safe to assume that it started as "Kronos" in the script and that Okrand adapted it to "Qo'noS," just earlier than I thought.
Oh, that's interesting. I don't think I knew that.
I remember the episode of The Dukes of Hazzard which posited that the president's car was called "Limo One."
Good point. We shouldn't assume that Starfleet/the Federation would use the American custom, although of course, Trek tends to assume that the UFP is just the USA writ large. It certainly makes little sense for the Klingons to use the American custom.
Never really mentioned what happend in the 70 years inbetween TUC and Tng. Could have evacuated, repaired, and then resettled in that 70 years. They sued for peace because they needed every ship to evacuate probably billions from the planet.
Also, the High Counsel could have never have left, or resettled Kronos by the time of Tng, and many of the regular people havent came back yet. I seem to remember it was always raining, maybe the climate was screwed up and the planet could only support only so many people.
Basically, we don't know if the planet was evacuated totally, and no idea how many are living on the world by the time of Tng.
Lol! In real life, the presidential state car's most common nickname is "the Beast," though it's also sometimes nicknamed "Cadillac One." Its Secret Service codename is "Stagecoach," though. The armored buses sometimes used for presidential transport are unofficially called Ground Force One.
Yeah. I mean, calling it Qo'noS One isn't exactly the same, it's not like we call the president's airplane Washington One, but obviously it's close enough it's unrealistic. I can suspend my disbelief enough to buy that the Klingons independently evolved this similar naming convention, but I can only suspend my disbelief on that once. If the Bajorans called the ship transporting their First Minister Militia One or Bajor One, that would be a bit too much to suspend disbelief on.
Of course, maybe we can rationalize it. Maybe Qo'noS One isn't actually the Klingon name, but was instead the Federation's code-name that the Klingons were using as a diplomatic courtesy? Maybe Starfleet regulations grant the call sign "(Capital Planet Name) One" to any foreign state's ship carrying that state's leader? So if the ship carrying the Romulan Praetor enters Federation space, it gets called Romulus One in Federation communications; for the Cardassian Castellan, it's Cardassia One; for the First Minister of Bajor, Bajor One; etc.?
I think, by definition, the term “homeworld” implies only one planet.
There may be multiple strategic or population centers…but there can be only one “homeworld. “
It's their Summer homeworld.
Homeworld is where you hang your bat'leth.
I have this idea that Kling and or Kazh was home to Discovery Klingons and those suffering from the forehead smoothing virus. When the central homework’s was laid waste, there was much suffering and loss of life, but the other houses were invited back. The homeworld was a more violent place now, rocked by storms…and to a warrior people—seen as perhaps an improvement…
Kling is perfectly fine. It’s an easy analog: Kling - Klingons, Earth - Earthicans, Remus - Remans, etc.
In my home state Saxony, there’s a village called Klinga. I wonder if it’s inhabitants are Klingans?
Expanded universe content calls the Klingon sun Klinzhai.
Specifically, John M. Ford's The Final Reflection called it that. The book was written before Marc Okrand created a canonical Klingon language, so Ford created his own different one, as well as depicting Klingon culture in a way that was overwritten by TNG and subsequent canon. Some later works have nodded to Ford's Klingon language or other bits of worldbuilding, but not consistently or systematically.
Star Trek doesn't have an "expanded universe" like Star Wars. There have been a number of sub-continuities here and there in the novel and comics lines, but they're inconsistent with one another and with many of the standalone works, especially the older ones that predated TNG. So there are all sorts of alternative, contradictory worldbuilding conjectures in the various books, rather than a single answer to a given question.
*Picking up what Christopher is laying down and running with it.
Earth is also used as a synonym for dirt (called regolith on other planets and moons). Earthlings. Terra is the Latin word. Terrans..
Vulcans (Vulcanians) from Vulcan
Bajorans (Bajora) from Bajor
Andorians from Andor
Betazoids from Betazed
Deltans from Delta
Ferengi from Ferenginar
Earthlings from Earth, Terrans from Terra
But Klingons from Kling? Nah, that's silly.
*Not dissing Qonundrum. I read the Kling sounding silly in a reference book back last century.
JG Hertzler's character in OGAM calls someone a tokhe straav ("willing slave"). I thought that was pretty cool. I wish Klingonaase would manage to make its way into canon somehow!
Yes, of course. "Terran" was coined by science fiction writers as a demonym for Earth people analogous to national demonyms like "Mexican" or "Albanian." It caught on as a classier-sounding alternative to "Earthling." It's generally used as a term that aliens or members of an interstellar human civilization use to refer to Earth humans, which is why DS9 had the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance refer derogatorily to humans as "Terrans" (an intention misunderstood by Enterprise's writers when they dubbed the Mirror Universe Empire the "Terran Empire," and even more greatly misunderstood by Discovery's writers when they started using "Terran" as a term exclusively for Mirror humans, even though prior Trek had often use it to refer to Earth people in the Prime universe).
But "Terran" is an etymologically suspect coinage. A more authentically derived term would be "Tellurian," a word sometimes used in Doctor Who serials by Robert Holmes.
The point, I believe, is that they're all silly. It seems implausible that a culture would name itself after its planet, or vice-versa, since its people would've coined their name before they thought of their planet as a single entity defined in relation to alien planets. Names like that are more likely to be assigned by outsiders, so it stands to reason that the indigenous name or names would be different.
At least, that's what I thought until I learned the etymology of "human," as I mentioned above. Even so, the words "Earth" and "human" sound different despite their common origin, because we have more than one language on Earth, and aliens surely would as well.
Yeah. Discovery, and a Klingon drinking song in DS9 both reference the 'Black Fleet'.
The Season 1 writers and a couple actors said they also read that book.
I wondered that myself. How did the Klingons recover from the loss of their main dilithium mining moon?
Detente with the Federation surely helped, since it would've opened the door for trade.
They’re Klingons. They went out and took dilithium from other sources.
But that's just the problem. It's harder for them to "go out" without dilithium to power their ships. I mean, you might as well say that people in Mad Max's dystopia could solve their gasoline shortage by driving to find new gasoline sources. There's quite an obvious problem with that premise.
(Although technically dilithium just channels engine power rather than creating it, so maybe spark plugs are a better analogy.)
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