Are there 2 Klingon Homeworlds post-Undiscovered Country?

[Citiprime]

During the discussion among the Starfleet brass after the destruction of Praxis, Admiral Cartwright mentions the folly of "giving the Klingons safe-haven within Federation space." That would imply a mass migration of Klingons to worlds within Federation territory.

It would also imply there's two versions of Qo'Nos. The Klingons' ancestral home, which they may have abandoned after the destruction of Praxis, and a new one, more self-sufficient, that they settled after the Khitomer Accords.

 

[publiusr]

Well, I seem to remember something called Kazh:
https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/frs/frs-2-sheet-1.jpg

Aridas’s creation—-one of my favorites.

From here:
https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/frs-2.php

 

[Qonundrum]

TNG mentions "Kling" in "Heart of Glory", which at face value seems cheesy but is in fact arguably less cheesy than a name that's phonetically similar to "Chronos". After all, we're not call Earthons. Maybe someone did and somebody else retorted "Earthlings" for whatever Machiavellian reason, but I digress...

 

[Weyoun 251]

TNG mentions "Kling" in "Heart of Glory", which at face value seems cheesy but is in fact arguably less cheesy than a name that's phonetically similar to "Chronos". After all, we're not call Earthons. Maybe someone did and somebody else retorted "Earthlings" for whatever Machiavellian reason, but I digress...

I too prefer then name Qo'nos but it has been written both as Kronos and Chronos enough times and it does, to an extent, fit in with Vulcan, Romulus, and Remus as being a name taken from Greek/Roman mythology

 

[Orphalesion]

Iirc the Klingon lady in Day of the Dove explains that the reason behind the aggressive expansion of the Klingon Empire is because their "core worlds" were resource poor. So maybe the Klingons view all of those "core worlds" as their home worlds.

 

[Christopher]

During the discussion among the Starfleet brass after the destruction of Praxis, Admiral Cartwright mentions the folly of "giving the Klingons safe-haven within Federation space." That would imply a mass migration of Klingons to worlds within Federation territory.

I don't think his lines should be taken literally as a realistic prediction. Given that Cartwright turned out to be the villain, it's likely that the writers intended his rhetoric to parallel the usual anti-immigrant fearmongering rhetoric of racists in any generation -- ohh, beware, the scary foreigners will swarm into our homeland and steal our jobs! He was just putting forth the worst-sounding possibility in hopes of convincing people not to help the Klingons.

After all, the Klingons have a whole empire, meaning multiple worlds. There's no reason to think they don't have plenty of other places to resettle within their own territory.

TNG mentions "Kling" in "Heart of Glory", which at face value seems cheesy but is in fact arguably less cheesy than a name that's phonetically similar to "Chronos". After all, we're not call Earthons.

Well, we kind of are, though I was surprised when I realized it. The word "human" is derived from "humus," meaning earth or soil. The ancients often believed that humans were created from earth or clay or dust, and they called us humans, "earth beings," as opposed to divine, heavenly beings. Although that's "earth," dirt, as opposed to "Earth," the planet. Still, they both come from the same root.

Also, I don't follow your logic. If it's cheesy to name a species after its planet, or vice-versa, then surely "Kling" is far more cheesy than Qo'noS.

Anyway, I tend to take Korris's reference to "the warriors of Kling" to mean warriors who share Klingon identity or philosophy.

 

[Dukhat]

Maybe it's just me, but I always had the impression that TUC's "Kronos One" was just meant to be the name of Gorkon's ship, and that they decided to retcon and 'Klingon-ize' the name to their planet later (previously on TNG, the planet was ONLY ever referred to as the 'Klingon Homeworld' other than that old 'Kling' reference that was quickly dropped.

 

[Qonundrum]

Well, we kind of are, though I was surprised when I realized it. The word "human" is derived from "humus," meaning earth or soil. The ancients often believed that humans were created from earth or clay or dust, and they called us humans, "earth beings," as opposed to divine, heavenly beings. Although that's "earth," dirt, as opposed to "Earth," the planet. Still, they both come from the same root.

Good points! Something new learned every day, thank you!

Also, I don't follow your logic. If it's cheesy to name a species after its planet, or vice-versa, then surely "Kling" is far more cheesy than Qo'noS.

Depends on your perspective, but I'm not saying you're wrong -- "Kling" has its own level of cheese, but given the emphasis on the Klignons' running out of time, the subtle fourth-wall break with "Qo'Nos" ultimately felt cheesier, despite an attempt to shake things up by doing something different. Then again, translations aren't always 100% perfect no matter what the language... with me, it's definitely less of logic but that of perspective. If not perception.

Anyway, I tend to take Korris's reference to "the warriors of Kling" to mean warriors who share Klingon identity or philosophy.

Another good point! :like:

 

[Qonundrum]

Maybe it's just me, but I always had the impression that TUC's "Kronos One" was just meant to be the name of Gorkon's ship, and that they decided to retcon and 'Klingon-ize' the name to their planet later (previously on TNG, the planet was ONLY ever referred to as the 'Klingon Homeworld' other than that old 'Kling' reference that was quickly dropped.

Another great point!

 

[David cgc]

Maybe it's just me, but I always had the impression that TUC's "Kronos One" was just meant to be the name of Gorkon's ship, and that they decided to retcon and 'Klingon-ize' the name to their planet later (previously on TNG, the planet was ONLY ever referred to as the 'Klingon Homeworld' other than that old 'Kling' reference that was quickly dropped.

No, they refer to the planet a few times by name in TUC; "We cannot allow them to be taken back to Kronos as prisoners," "The total evacuation of Kronos within the fifty-Earth-year timespan."

Speaking of the latter, and the main topic, I generally go with the interpretation that environmental repairs to Qo'noS went better than hoped, and the planet remained habitable over the long term and "total" evacuation wasn't necessary in the end.

 

[Christopher]

Maybe it's just me, but I always had the impression that TUC's "Kronos One" was just meant to be the name of Gorkon's ship, and that they decided to retcon and 'Klingon-ize' the name to their planet later

Yes and no. As mentioned above, the planet was indeed named Kronos in that movie. But yes, the spelling was retconned later. "Qo'nos" comes from the expanded edition of Marc Okrand's Klingon Dictionary, and was his adaptation of "Kronos" to Klingon phonetics. Okrand presumably meant to suggest that "Kronos" is the Anglicized spelling of "Qo'nos," much like how he had previously retconned "Klingon" as the Anglicized spelling of tlhIngan. (Plenty of real-life precedent for that, like "Russia" for Rossiya, "Algeria" for al-Jaza'ir, etc.)

Speaking of the latter, and the main topic, I generally go with the interpretation that environmental repairs to Qo'noS went better than hoped, and the planet remained habitable over the long term and "total" evacuation wasn't necessary in the end.

Yes, that's what I figure. I think that in the Berman-era shows, the matte paintings of the Homeworld (which is all it was ever called in TNG) were always dark and clouded over, to imply that the environmental damage from the Praxis explosion continued.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Maybe it's just me, but I always had the impression that TUC's "Kronos One" was just meant to be the name of Gorkon's ship, and that they decided to retcon and 'Klingon-ize' the name to their planet later (previously on TNG, the planet was ONLY ever referred to as the 'Klingon Homeworld' other than that old 'Kling' reference that was quickly dropped.

I always took the name Kronos One to be some kind of reference to the real life Air Force One. So assuming 'Kronos' does indeed have some special meaning, it's not that much of a stretch to suggest that it's the name of the homeworld.

 

[BillJ]

Sure. Why not?

 

[Sci]

I always took the name Kronos One to be some kind of reference to the real life Air Force One. So assuming 'Kronos' does indeed have some special meaning, it's not that much of a stretch to suggest that it's the name of the homeworld.

Which of course just makes me wonder if a Starfleet vessel carrying the Federation President is called Starfleet One or something.

 

[Nerys Myk]

During the discussion among the Starfleet brass after the destruction of Praxis, Admiral Cartwright mentions the folly of "giving the Klingons safe-haven within Federation space." That would imply a mass migration of Klingons to worlds within Federation territory.

It would also imply there's two versions of Qo'Nos. The Klingons' ancestral home, which they may have abandoned after the destruction of Praxis, and a new one, more self-sufficient, that they settled after the Khitomer Accords.

It got better.

 

[1001001]

Klingons have two of many things…

 

[Birb-of-Prey]

More importantly, what is the name of their sun?

 

[Nerys Myk]

More importantly, what is the name of their sun?

H'LioS

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

More importantly, what is the name of their sun?

The large, fiery ball at the center of their solar system. But that's not important right now.

 

[somebuddyX]

I always assumed The Undiscovered Country was trying to say the damage to the planet was irreparable and they would definitely all have to move and that would retcon the TNG Klingon Homeworld as some other planet they settled on. Then "The House of Quark" called the Klingon Homeworld Q'on'os and I figured they were just saying they never moved and the planet got fixed. There is a lot of weird shit with it's location from "Broken Bow" so maybe there are two planets anyway. Q'on'os could be a word that just means whatever planet they rule from. I prefer it all being one planet though.