Are the Daleks now part timelord?

[Gingerbread Demon]

Well they were all infused with artron energy thanks to Sneaky Davros, so are the Daleks and him now part timelord or how will the events of series 9 play out?

Surely that is in essence a hybrid?

 

[matthunter]

Depends if all of the Daleks in that city got nommed by the Rise of the Living Turds, I suppose.

Davros did say the cables connected the Doctor to all Daleks in existence, but it's not clear if the energy is transmitted instantaneously, so given the brief period he was drained it may not have affected far-off ships or colonies.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Depends if all of the Daleks in that city got nommed by the Rise of the Living Turds, I suppose.

Davros did say the cables connected the Doctor to all Daleks in existence, but it's not clear if the energy is transmitted instantaneously, so given the brief period he was drained it may not have affected far-off ships or colonies.

That is true, but even Davros was infused with the energy...... So either that plays out or the writers have cocked up.

 

[The Wormhole]

I guarantee it will be forgotten or hand-waved away the next time the Daleks show up.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I guarantee it will be forgotten or hand-waved away the next time the Daleks show up.

Yep, sadly I agree

 

[Solid Snack]

The regeneration energy's kind of something that's been added to the new series-pretty much everybody in the TARDIS I think has a bit of it-even Sarah Jane. I think the classic series kind of implied it was simply part of the Doctor's biology.

It also kind of explains how Grace and Chang came back to life in the TV movie I think.

 

[Redfern]

At the time Eccleston regenerated into Tennant, I assumed the flame-like blasts issuing from his hands and head was his expelling the "Heart of the TARDIS" energy he initially siphoned from Rose to save her life. Does anyone know if that was the "intent"? Even if it was, well, Davies and later Moffett liked it enough for it to become the "standard" visual cue for regeneration.

 

[The Wormhole]

The regeneration energy's kind of something that's been added to the new series-pretty much everybody in the TARDIS I think has a bit of it-even Sarah Jane.

No, only Donna has been exposed to regeneration energy, that's what turned her into the Doctor Donna.

At the time Eccleston regenerated into Tennant, I assumed the flame-like blasts issuing from his hands and head was his expelling the "Heart of the TARDIS" energy he initially siphoned from Rose to save her life. Does anyone know if that was the "intent"? Even if it was, well, Davies and later Moffett liked it enough for it to become the "standard" visual cue for regeneration.

I think it was the intent in Parting of the Ways, yes. At the very least, tie-in material like the visual dictionary that was published after the first two seasons said so.

The issue came up when they were doing the Master's regeneration in Utopia, they needed a way to convey to the audience he was regenerating without saying so in dialogue, and the decision was made the simplest way to do that was to use the same regeneration effect from Parting of the Ways. Since then it's simply become the regeneration effect, although we've seen some variations, Matt Smith's transition to Peter Capaldi went much quicker than usual, the General actually lied down like you'd expect a dying person to do as opposed to "assuming the position" of arms out and head tilted back which has also become the standard for regeneration. IIRC, Eccleston didn't even intentionally do that for his scene, it was just one of many different poses he filmed, and that was the one that made the cut.

 

[Solid Snack]

There's at least some energy flowing on the Doctor's face in Time and the Rani, but that was pretty much just to hide the fact that it wasn't really Colin Baker.

 

[Mr Soak]

The Caves of Androzani has energy emanating from the Doctor. Or, considering he was hallucinating past companions (and the Master), it represented consciousness fading to white.

McGann also fell to the ground to regenerate, out of frame.

 

[Redfern]

In retrospect, one argue the fade to white during the lapse dissolve from Hartnell to Troughton could be considered "regeneration energy". Troughton to Pertwee was off screen, so the issue is sidestepped, but Pertwee to Tom Baker is nothing but a simple "dissolve". A bit harder to rationalize that one. (A few fans have "tweaked" that scene to include the "wafting vapors", though less violent than "Parting of the Ways" and later sequences.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Yeah but now bloody Davros has Artron energy inside him. What a sucker the Doctor was.

 

[Redfern]

I don't think the production will do what I'm about to describe unless it's temporary, but I'm imagine Davros "regenerating", regrowing his lost limbs and organs, no longer needing "the chair". But I also imagine that would probably wedge a divide between the Daleks and him. The Daleks would lose what little sense of "kinship" they have with Davros as he would no longer need the hardware to sustain him, the technology he adapted to sustain his mutated progeny. Davros, in turn, no longer scarred, wracked with pain and dependent upon technology to keep him barely alive might lose that maddening drive to prove himself and lash out from self loathing. He might no longer see the Daleks as his "children" and actually find them repugnant.

But you just know the showrunners would not allow such a drastic change to remain. Something would happen to put Darvos back in the chair. He's injured again; maybe the Artron energy wears off, possibly a time bubble or the temporal vortex reverses the effects, whatever. He's too iconic a character to be left "rejuvenated". But even if a short term situation, an intriguing story could be developed around the notion.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I don't think the production will do what I'm about to describe unless it's temporary, but I'm imagine Davros "regenerating", regrowing his lost limbs and organs, no longer needing "the chair". But I also imagine that would probably wedge a divide between the Daleks and him. The Daleks would lose what little sense of "kinship" they have with Davros as he would no longer need the hardware to sustain him, the technology he adapted to sustain his mutated progeny. Davros, in turn, no longer scarred, wracked with pain and dependent upon technology to keep him barely alive might lose that maddening drive to prove himself and lash out from self loathing. He might no longer see the Daleks as his "children" and actually find them repugnant.

But you just know the showrunners would not allow such a drastic change to remain. Something would happen to put Darvos back in the chair. He's injured again; maybe the Artron energy wears off, possibly a time bubble or the temporal vortex reverses the effects, whatever. He's too iconic a character to be left "rejuvenated". But even if a short term situation, an intriguing story could be developed around the notion.

I wish they would do this. Would be fantastic. Write to the BBC please.

 

[The Wormhole]

As Redfern indicates, there's no way you'd get something like that without it being reset so that Davros is back in the chair and back as a withered figure. While not as iconic as the Daleks themselves, Davros is recognizable enough among the casual audience. When I've mentioned Davros among non fans, they don't always recognize the name, but I say "creator of the Daleks" or "the guy in a wheelchair resembling a Dalek" and they instantly know who I'm talking about. BBC won't want to mess with that kind of brand recognition.

 

[Solid Snack]

I think there's been a wedge of sorts between Davros and the Daleks from day one-they exterminated him, then only revived him once they needed him, and he wound up creating his own more loyal Daleks (The Necros/Imperial Daleks from the 80's). Stolen Earth kind of had him as more of a 'pet' as the Doctor noted, and I'm not quite sure what was up with their loyalty to him last year...

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

I just re-watched the episodes, and I'm pretty sure that the regeneration energy went only from Davros' spaghetti tubing to every Dalek ON SKARO only. Since every one of them got mucked up as a result of this, it's fairly safe to assume that if this plot is forgotten after this, that the Doctor's clever plan merely killed off every Dalek on the planet. And assuming Davros survived this as well, he wasn't the recipient of the energy anyway so he wouldn't have anything to take to his next scheme. This particular energy doesn't seem replicate-able or renewable anyway, so hopefully it doesn't simply mean that the Daleks start hunting down Time Lords and draining them even if they wouldn't willingly give it as the Doctor suggested was necessary.

Mark

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I hope it and the hybrid nonsense are all forgotten.

Just on the last series I really liked both series 8 and 9.

BTW how long will Clara and Ashildr be flying around in their own TARDIS? Doesn't Clara have to front up to her death? Isn't that a fixed point in time now?

 

[Mr Soak]

Unless Moffatt's got something planned for series 10, they're never going to bother the series again. Once Moffatt's gone, Big Finish will wait a few years just to make sure, then if they can get the actesses, create an audio series where we never see the obvious aging of the actesses. Haters can safely ignore it then.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Unless Moffatt's got something planned for series 10, they're never going to bother the series again. Once Moffatt's gone, Big Finish will wait a few years just to make sure, then if they can get the actesses, create an audio series where we never see the obvious aging of the actesses. Haters can safely ignore it then.

Who are these Haters?

I'm not a Clara / Ashildr hater I kind of like Clara for the most part, but I do wonder from a fan POV how long can they keep travelling like that? Clara has to face that death. We know the death happens because we saw it happen, just I wonder how much time she spends flying around, as this happens in the time that flash of light happens on the actual trap street till she dies for real.