And?
This doesn't justify it in my mind. Not one wit.
Star Trek claims an evolved humanity while appealing to our baser instincts. Nothing appealing about that.
Are Dr Culber and Stamets common law husbands?
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This doesn't justify it in my mind. Not one wit.
Star Trek claims an evolved humanity while appealing to our baser instincts. Nothing appealing about that.
I'm pretty sure they're really women, considering all of them were played by actresses of legal age.
I seem to remember hearing, maybe on Enterprise, that the Orion women are not really slaves, but that they are really the ones in control.
Any who, I think it would be nice to see more of them.
That doesn't make it any better. At all.
Oh? How so?
If they're not slaves, they're not slaves. What could be wrong with that?
Unless you're saying that it's no better for the MEN to be slaves than it would have been for the women. In which case I agree.
Just forget I said anything.
Bingo. Give the man a cigar.
Makes what better? I was just saying I'd rather see these green Orion women on screen more. I think they could do mostly body paint these days.
If they are in control then the males are slaves and we're back to slavery...hooray?
And I'm back to saying that I would say no to the titillating aspects of Trek's past and to leave them in the past.
They could use more titillation, not less. There can't be much less than Discovery.
Hopefully there can be.
I can get titillation nearly anywhere in current culture. I have no desire to see it in Star Trek. It's had it's time and there is no interest for me in seeing it come back.
So you want your works of art to be soulless...
... and you want it to be misogynistic, sexually-objectifying garbage. Gotcha.
Oh? How so?
If they're not slaves, they're not slaves. What could be wrong with that?
Unless you're saying that it's no better for the MEN to be slaves than it would have been for the women. In which case I agree.
Just forget I said anything.
The version of the Orion women seen in "Bound" is just as misogynistic as the version from "The Cage" but in a different direction. "The Cage" presents Orion women (depicted using the coding of Orientialism, I might add) as sexually available and lacking in agency or personality of their own -- they are, to use Paulo Frieire's term for how oppressors imagine those they oppress in his book Pedagogy of the Oppressed, depicted as "beings-for-others." In this case, beings who exist to give sexual pleasure to men without wants, needs, agency, or personality of their own.
The version of the Orion women seen in "Bound," by contrast, uses a different set of misogynistic tropes, but it's just as misogynistic. Instead of presenting Orion women as objects without agency living only to give pleasure to men, they're depicted as dangerous Jezebels, sirens, temptresses who want to lead men away from their moral duties. Female sexuality is therefore in "Bound" depicted as something dangerous and evil, and female empowerment is demonized. The Evil Jezebel Orions are only defeated, for no particularly good reason, when a straight man strong enough to resist their temptations (Trip) employs violence against those men too weak to resist them -- even though T'Pol and Hoshi were right there and should have been able to use a phase pistol just as easily as Trip did. The danger only passes when male authority is restored.
Either version of Orion women is incredibly misogynistic. You want a Star Trek show with a sexy Orion that isn't misogynistic? Lower Decks and its depiction of D'Vana Tendi is the way to go.
