I grew up on Voyager, my freind. So, no.
That may be the case for you, but not for me.
I actually like Janeway.
That may be the case for you, but not for me.
I actually like Janeway.
Anyone here NOT seen Nemesis?
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I saw Nemesis at an opening-night screening. The line-up to the theatre was quite lengthy... I seem to recall waiting for almost an hour before I took my seat. I admit, I wasn't quite expecting such a turnout -- after the middling box-office returns for Insurrection and the bad advanced buzz about this film on the internet, I was expecting a smaller crowd. It did give me a flicker of hope that Star Trek wasn't dead (but then I saw the numbers for its weekend gross a few days later, and I concluded that what I saw at this cinema was not representative of most of the others around the world).
So I sat down, and the movie started. The crowd still seemed enthusiastic; in fact, when the projector stopped working for a few minutes right before the "dune buggy" sequence, I thought they were possibly going to have a riot in the theatre -- the last thing you want is a couple hundred angry Star Trek fans on your hands.
But it started back up, and there were no more technical problems.
When the film was over, a good chunk of the audience actually applauded... they seemed to have enjoyed it! I have to admit, the first thing I wondered was, "Did we just watch the same movie?" I was quite disappointed. Between this reaction and the size of the crowd, I thought maybe it was just me, that I was one of the few not feelin' it. As I mentioned, though, after I saw the box office returns, and read a few more on-line responses from my fellow Trekkers (including some on this site), I realized it was definitely not just me.
So to answer the question (in as long-winded a way as I can), yes, I've seen Nemesis, and no, I did not particularly like it. I don't hate it (there are plenty, and I mean plenty, of worse films out there), but it is a deeply flawed film, and I rank it near the bottom of all the Trek movies. All in all, it was a major let-down, especially for someone like me, who grew up on TNG. The characters deserved a better send-off than this.
So I sat down, and the movie started. The crowd still seemed enthusiastic; in fact, when the projector stopped working for a few minutes right before the "dune buggy" sequence, I thought they were possibly going to have a riot in the theatre -- the last thing you want is a couple hundred angry Star Trek fans on your hands.
But it started back up, and there were no more technical problems.When the film was over, a good chunk of the audience actually applauded... they seemed to have enjoyed it! I have to admit, the first thing I wondered was, "Did we just watch the same movie?" I was quite disappointed. Between this reaction and the size of the crowd, I thought maybe it was just me, that I was one of the few not feelin' it. As I mentioned, though, after I saw the box office returns, and read a few more on-line responses from my fellow Trekkers (including some on this site), I realized it was definitely not just me.
So to answer the question (in as long-winded a way as I can), yes, I've seen Nemesis, and no, I did not particularly like it. I don't hate it (there are plenty, and I mean plenty, of worse films out there), but it is a deeply flawed film, and I rank it near the bottom of all the Trek movies. All in all, it was a major let-down, especially for someone like me, who grew up on TNG. The characters deserved a better send-off than this.
Well... I saw it.
And...
I have to say....
Well, I won't recant my entire list of reasons here why I was disappointed by this film more than any other Star Trek production. It started out well enough... was beginning to think it might not be so bad after all. But then the ridiculous parts cropped up. The visit to that planet to find the android parts so overtly strewn about for the Enterprise crew to uncover, then encounter those crazed aliens and recreate a scene from Mad Max. Um, Worf calls himself a warrior when he can't hit the broad side of a barn with a laser rifle? The beaming into the Praetor's chamber, completely vulnerable. The ridiculous invention of thalaron radiation, that makes an impressive appearance, kills everyone, then conveniently disappears without any half-life. "Ummmm... this can't be good." There were moments where I thought it might pull out of the tailspin. Just a few, here and there. But no joy. It crashed head on... as the Enterprise did into the Scimitar, and never ever recovered.
And...
I have to say....
Well, I won't recant my entire list of reasons here why I was disappointed by this film more than any other Star Trek production. It started out well enough... was beginning to think it might not be so bad after all. But then the ridiculous parts cropped up. The visit to that planet to find the android parts so overtly strewn about for the Enterprise crew to uncover, then encounter those crazed aliens and recreate a scene from Mad Max. Um, Worf calls himself a warrior when he can't hit the broad side of a barn with a laser rifle? The beaming into the Praetor's chamber, completely vulnerable. The ridiculous invention of thalaron radiation, that makes an impressive appearance, kills everyone, then conveniently disappears without any half-life. "Ummmm... this can't be good." There were moments where I thought it might pull out of the tailspin. Just a few, here and there. But no joy. It crashed head on... as the Enterprise did into the Scimitar, and never ever recovered.
Btw, here's a better version: Nemesis, take II.
I saw Nemesis at an opening-night screening. The line-up to the theatre was quite lengthy... I seem to recall waiting for almost an hour before I took my seat. I admit, I wasn't quite expecting such a turnout -- after the middling box-office returns for Insurrection and the bad advanced buzz about this film on the internet, I was expecting a smaller crowd. It did give me a flicker of hope that Star Trek wasn't dead (but then I saw the numbers for its weekend gross a few days later, and I concluded that what I saw at this cinema was not representative of most of the others around the world).
So I sat down, and the movie started. The crowd still seemed enthusiastic; in fact, when the projector stopped working for a few minutes right before the "dune buggy" sequence, I thought they were possibly going to have a riot in the theatre -- the last thing you want is a couple hundred angry Star Trek fans on your hands.
When the film was over, a good chunk of the audience actually applauded... they seemed to have enjoyed it! I have to admit, the first thing I wondered was, "Did we just watch the same movie?" I was quite disappointed. Between this reaction and the size of the crowd, I thought maybe it was just me, that I was one of the few not feelin' it. As I mentioned, though, after I saw the box office returns, and read a few more on-line responses from my fellow Trekkers (including some on this site), I realized it was definitely not just me.
So to answer the question (in as long-winded a way as I can), yes, I've seen Nemesis, and no, I did not particularly like it. I don't hate it (there are plenty, and I mean plenty, of worse films out there), but it is a deeply flawed film, and I rank it near the bottom of all the Trek movies. All in all, it was a major let-down, especially for someone like me, who grew up on TNG. The characters deserved a better send-off than this.
Nemesis actually scored fairly high in cinemascore (A-)with audiences who ACTUALLY saw it. Also it made over $120 million when you count ALL sources of income. I think this may not make Nemesis a financial SUCCESS, however, it did show that even a badly received film can still pull in some bucks for the studio.
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Nemesis
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1
Where did B4 come from? Their was no mention of any other Soong Types going missing during TNG or Generations and First Contact/Innsurection and surely anything about any going missing?
2
Janeway seemed to have lost the edge that she had in the delta quadrant. I imagine that voyager had been home for about a year at the start of Nemesis. Janeway was had lost that thing that had kept her sane in that quadrant. Janeway in the series would have been appauled that this Janeway had been taken in so easily by Shinzon and the coup in Romulan policitics.
3
The Enterprise was surpposed to be more powerfull then the D. You wouldn't have thought it was the same ship that was designed to go up against a borg vessel. Her weaponry was reduced to to being slapping Shinzons vessel not acting like in First Contact where it Punched a Borg Cube. She was suppossed to be more manuralble then any other vessel its size. She was to be the best vessel in the Federation fleet. At this rate the federation would not have won the war.
4
Federation operations , They have 2 years to clear up after the Dominion war. The fleet sent to help them didn't check there sensors. Did the captains check them and think, Oh Its all right we will sit here twitling our thumbs. Why didn't outfit all there ship with copys of Voyagers systems. The lab wasn't even like the set seen in Generatoins. The scene on the lab was to similar to Generatrions Also no additions to the ship like the tech janeway brung back from her future.That armour would have been useful even if it eventually failed also the topedoes would have kicked the Schimitar ass. Also why only five ships the Schimitar threat required more.
5
The crew were effectively made into dunces losing all there no how.
6
The Romulans were pushed back to thier pre Dominon war selfs. Too cocky to accept help
7
Why make a clone of Picard at the time they were suggesting Picard didn't yet have command of the flagship just another starfleet captain. Yes he visited Romulas before to find out why Spock was on Romulas.
8
Spock-no mention of him. Was he successfull in his personnal quest of reunification, Starfleet would have been concerned about him.
Here I Go
1
Where did B4 come from? Their was no mention of any other Soong Types going missing during TNG or Generations and First Contact/Innsurection and surely anything about any going missing?
2
Janeway seemed to have lost the edge that she had in the delta quadrant. I imagine that voyager had been home for about a year at the start of Nemesis. Janeway was had lost that thing that had kept her sane in that quadrant. Janeway in the series would have been appauled that this Janeway had been taken in so easily by Shinzon and the coup in Romulan policitics.
3
The Enterprise was surpposed to be more powerfull then the D. You wouldn't have thought it was the same ship that was designed to go up against a borg vessel. Her weaponry was reduced to to being slapping Shinzons vessel not acting like in First Contact where it Punched a Borg Cube. She was suppossed to be more manuralble then any other vessel its size. She was to be the best vessel in the Federation fleet. At this rate the federation would not have won the war.
4
Federation operations , They have 2 years to clear up after the Dominion war. The fleet sent to help them didn't check there sensors. Did the captains check them and think, Oh Its all right we will sit here twitling our thumbs. Why didn't outfit all there ship with copys of Voyagers systems. The lab wasn't even like the set seen in Generatoins. The scene on the lab was to similar to Generatrions Also no additions to the ship like the tech janeway brung back from her future.That armour would have been useful even if it eventually failed also the topedoes would have kicked the Schimitar ass. Also why only five ships the Schimitar threat required more.
5
The crew were effectively made into dunces losing all there no how.
6
The Romulans were pushed back to thier pre Dominon war selfs. Too cocky to accept help
7
Why make a clone of Picard at the time they were suggesting Picard didn't yet have command of the flagship just another starfleet captain. Yes he visited Romulas before to find out why Spock was on Romulas.
8
Spock-no mention of him. Was he successfull in his personnal quest of reunification, Starfleet would have been concerned about him.
I've forgotten so much about that movie, most of it on the drive home from the theater, that I can practically go ahead and say I never saw it.
I saw it once. I didn't enjoy it as much as I'd hoped, mostly because I dragged my non-trekkie cousin to it and I was worried the whole time about whether or not he was hating it.
I'd need to see it again to properly evaluate it, but I don't think I'd hate it as much as most seem to here.
I'd need to see it again to properly evaluate it, but I don't think I'd hate it as much as most seem to here.
It was kind of nice that they managed to have a cameo from one of the other 24th century Trek Series I thought. Especially since now we have Trek XI coming out and it looks like it will be a big hit so Nemesis is probably the last 24th Century Trek we will ever see.
Old as the movie itself, but still just as funny.
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