Not really.
Anyone feel...sorry for Shatner?
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Yes and No. On one hand, he's not been Kirk or asssociated with the on-screen ST universe for a very long time. On the other hand, somehow a ST movie without him in seems a little off. Not very off, mind.
He's gotta be feeling a little left out, I guess, and that's gotta hurt a bit.
He's gotta be feeling a little left out, I guess, and that's gotta hurt a bit.
Sorry for who?
Which is why Plato wanted to outlaw them.
(Plato, Dialogues, vol. 3 - Republic, III, 398a)
Or, as W.C. Fields said in far fewer words,
Plato and W.C. Fields. You gotta love that combo.
Yeah, well Plato was a writer. Of course he resented actors; he'd probably have banned directors, producers and agents too if he'd ever encountered them.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
How entertaining, how durable, and how successful a film is nearly congruent with the appeal of the actors and with their performances. All the other creative folks involved may have varying levels of discomfort with that, but it's the sole reason that the actors are paid the big money.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
How entertaining, how durable, and how successful a film is nearly congruent with the appeal of the actors and with their performances. All the other creative folks involved may have varying levels of discomfort with that, but it's the sole reason that the actors are paid the big money.
Of course he would've. He thought drama and plays were a waste of time and detrimental to society (note: Society has since survived two and a half millennia despite the existence of dramatic art). Part of the reason Aristotle wrote Poetics was to convince his teacher Plato that drama was a "real" art.
Do I feel sorry for Shatner ?
Sorry that he has more money then I could ever spend in my entire liftime ?
Sorry that his ego at one point covered the entire universe with little room left for anything else ?
Sorry thet he shafted the other actors of the series back in the day ?
Sorry that he was a jerk to the fans for years before he learned to lighten up ?
Sorry that he has a new series when other actors his age can't even get a job ?
Sorry that Karma has bit him in the @$$ big time ?
Nope, can't say that I do.
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Sorry that he has more money then I could ever spend in my entire liftime ?
Sorry that his ego at one point covered the entire universe with little room left for anything else ?
Sorry thet he shafted the other actors of the series back in the day ?
Sorry that he was a jerk to the fans for years before he learned to lighten up ?
Sorry that he has a new series when other actors his age can't even get a job ?
Sorry that Karma has bit him in the @$$ big time ?
Nope, can't say that I do.
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* Not one bit, nope, next question please *
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Sorry for Shatner?? No.
He was brought in to consult with Abrams a while ago, presumably to talk about his character. It was mentioned then that he most likely wouldn't be in this film. Now either Shatner knows something we don't know and it just doing some wierd publicity for the film, or he is really being pathetic and sour grapes that this is moving forward, much like those who think he somehow should be in this film.
He was brought in to consult with Abrams a while ago, presumably to talk about his character. It was mentioned then that he most likely wouldn't be in this film. Now either Shatner knows something we don't know and it just doing some wierd publicity for the film, or he is really being pathetic and sour grapes that this is moving forward, much like those who think he somehow should be in this film.
I doubt that Shatner is anywhere near as "depressed" or "sad" as many here would like to believe.
The few clips I have seen show a Shatner who would have liked to have been in the film, and seeming a little slighted that Star Trek could go on without him.
None of the above is at all unnatural or inappropriate for the man (at worst, one of the two men) most closely associated with the entire Star Trek franchise.
As for my own feelings...
Would I like to see Shatner as Kirk again? Sure. But only if it were a good story and he was integral to it.
I don't want to see Kirk forced into any story.
The Trek XI script seems to be complete, and seem to not feature Kirk. I'm fine with that.
If we look back after having seen the movie and all agree, "Wow, it would have kicked ass if Kirk had been in Scene 12", then I will say that TPTB made a mistake.
I don't suspect that will be the case.
The reality is that Shatner is better as Denny Crane than he has ever been as Kirk, and I suspect he knows it. He's finally getting the accolades as an actor that he has wanted his entire career.
With Trek XI, he just wants his cake and he wants to eat it, too.
Isn't that what we all want for ourselves?
The few clips I have seen show a Shatner who would have liked to have been in the film, and seeming a little slighted that Star Trek could go on without him.
None of the above is at all unnatural or inappropriate for the man (at worst, one of the two men) most closely associated with the entire Star Trek franchise.
As for my own feelings...
Would I like to see Shatner as Kirk again? Sure. But only if it were a good story and he was integral to it.
I don't want to see Kirk forced into any story.
The Trek XI script seems to be complete, and seem to not feature Kirk. I'm fine with that.
If we look back after having seen the movie and all agree, "Wow, it would have kicked ass if Kirk had been in Scene 12", then I will say that TPTB made a mistake.
I don't suspect that will be the case.
The reality is that Shatner is better as Denny Crane than he has ever been as Kirk, and I suspect he knows it. He's finally getting the accolades as an actor that he has wanted his entire career.
With Trek XI, he just wants his cake and he wants to eat it, too.
Isn't that what we all want for ourselves?
I haven't been keeping up with all of the movie news, but your statement implies that the main reason Shatner isn't in the movie is that Kirk was killed off in Generations. Have the filmmakers said this?
I'm just asking because that surprises me. I didn't think we knew anything yet about how Nimoy as Spock figures into the movie. If they really wanted Shatner to be in the movie, why not just set the "old Kirk and Spock" segment before Kirk dies?
I thought the whole point of starting over with the original characters and recasting was to avoid being bogged down by things like this.
I do feel sorry for Shatner. He's called Kirk "the role of a lifetime," and I think people too easily subscribe to the myth of him counting lines when it was really Nimoy who did that. He also could have sought a lot more money for the times he played Kirk in the Classic Trek movies but took less to keep the franchise going.
I also feel sorry for the fans. We saw what happened in Generations when they settled for Scotty and Chekov instead of Spock and McCoy without changing a single line in the script, and this could really dampen the enthusiasm for Trek XI. I've already talked with people who are skeptical about a "reboot," and not including Shatner could diminish the appeal of the film.
I think it's dangerous to overlook the fact that despite many fans' dislike of Shatner, he's probably as popular now as he's ever been, and not including him in the project could hurt this attempted revival of Star Trek.
I dunno. He strikes me as somewhat insane, and if that's true, then I feel sorry for that.
I think this is about the benjamins, it just doesn't make sense that abrams would turn down a chance to get as many TOS actors involved as possible -- it would be free publicity, and would probably get some people into the seats.
But the guy has Boston Legal, so it's not like he's sleeping under a bridge somewhere. It ain't personal it's business.
I think this is about the benjamins, it just doesn't make sense that abrams would turn down a chance to get as many TOS actors involved as possible -- it would be free publicity, and would probably get some people into the seats.
But the guy has Boston Legal, so it's not like he's sleeping under a bridge somewhere. It ain't personal it's business.
Not sorry for Shat in the least.
He MADE Kirk the iconic character that he is.
Having Shat involved could add to Trek XI or detract from it, depending in large part to forces beyond his control. I'd love to see a fond but profound passing of the torch to the new actors that paid respect to the old, but this movie isn't going to be about Shatner, and it seems increasingly likely that it isn't really about Kirk.
We are going to have Trek XI with no Kelley or Doohan, so why would it have to have Shatner?
He MADE Kirk the iconic character that he is.
Having Shat involved could add to Trek XI or detract from it, depending in large part to forces beyond his control. I'd love to see a fond but profound passing of the torch to the new actors that paid respect to the old, but this movie isn't going to be about Shatner, and it seems increasingly likely that it isn't really about Kirk.
We are going to have Trek XI with no Kelley or Doohan, so why would it have to have Shatner?
I LOVE TOS, but in a word; no.
William Shatner is a pracgtical man, and I think the thing he's most upset about is that they are doing a TOS era film with a 'Captain Kirk' character, and he's not getting a check. Nothing wrong with that considering what he's been through right after Star Trek went off the air in 1969; but he's definitely rebounded well, is now VERY well off.
William Shatner is a pracgtical man, and I think the thing he's most upset about is that they are doing a TOS era film with a 'Captain Kirk' character, and he's not getting a check. Nothing wrong with that considering what he's been through right after Star Trek went off the air in 1969; but he's definitely rebounded well, is now VERY well off.
