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Any Xena:WP fans on the boards?

If you're rewatching the series you should really hit;
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More Xena fans than you can shake a stick at:)

Well, as i predicted I've been on this site most of the evening, reading Steven Sears Q&A from 2005.

After 10 pages, this is my fav post...
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" Are there any stories that you would have like to have done, but couldn't because of time or budget issues?"

Oh, many. One was a Joxer story I wanted to do. I wanted Joxer to finally get a Patron God. FINALLY some recognition for his talents! But the god's name was (and this is a true god, a brother of Zeus, look it up) Dull. Yes, Joxer's patron god was Dull. And I wanted Rodney Dangerfield or Buddy Hackett to play it. "Jeez, I'm the bother of Zeus, and I got a numbnuts for a warrior. What does a god have to do get noticed here?"

Then another time, RJ and I talked about a time travel story that had Xena chasing Callisto through New York in modern times when she runs into Cecrops (remember, he's immortal).

So many stories... but, alas!


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Love the thought of Xena chasing Callisto through New York!

They could have even done it in costume, and no-one would have noticed!

:guffaw:
 
Episode 72 season 4 #4 In Sickness and in Hell

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Fav line from Lucy... "Tilly's too much of a lady for them to do that." :bolian:

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If I have to explain a joke, its NEVER funny, so I won't bother trying to discuss this one.

Just sit back and laugh.

Or ... scratch.

:guffaw:

ETA: Great song!
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Did I mention I think Rene's acting in Family Affair is utterly amazing? She totally sold the moment as Gabrielle pretending to be Hope while embracing the Destroyer. You could see her overcoming revulsion and mortal fear and maternal instinct and... more emotions than I could decipher. Perfect.
 
A Family Affair;
Lovely Joxer and Xena moments, the way they team up, the tender way he helps her from the pit and tries to get her over Gabby's death. Also the Lila/Joxer subtext, you get the feeling Gabby's parents would like her or Lila to hook up with him

The Destroyer scenes are very Evil Dead as you might expect. The guy who plays the Destroyer is great, able to emote and draw sympathy even through a foot of makeup. I would love to have had Hope develop some real affection for her family, she obviously wants her mom why not her extended family too?

Hope seems to die very easily, considering before she got poisoned and burnt to ashes and still came back.

In Sickness and in Hell;
Just plain disgusting comedy that Lucy will once again show in Eurotrip (what other film has Xena Warrior Princess, Buffy's little sister, Superman's girlfriend AND Purdey in it?). Here we have the series making fun of itself and that's not a bad thing. Joxer once again demonstrates his cooking 'skills', that and music the only things Xena isn't good at (but then she is a demigod). A nice change of pace after all the heavy storylines
 
A Family Affair;
Lovely Joxer and Xena moments, the way they team up, the tender way he helps her from the pit and tries to get her over Gabby's death. Also the Lila/Joxer subtext, you get the feeling Gabby's parents would like her or Lila to hook up with him

The Destroyer scenes are very Evil Dead as you might expect. The guy who plays the Destroyer is great, able to emote and draw sympathy even through a foot of makeup. I would love to have had Hope develop some real affection for her family, she obviously wants her mom why not her extended family too?

Hope seems to die very easily, considering before she got poisoned and burnt to ashes and still came back.

In Sickness and in Hell;
Just plain disgusting comedy that Lucy will once again show in Eurotrip (what other film has Xena Warrior Princess, Buffy's little sister, Superman's girlfriend AND Purdey in it?). Here we have the series making fun of itself and that's not a bad thing. Joxer once again demonstrates his cooking 'skills', that and music the only things Xena isn't good at (but then she is a demigod). A nice change of pace after all the heavy storylines

I think she died "easily" because it was at the hands of "The Destroyer".

As for X/J... I liked how he tried to calm her in the house by saying, "I'll go get Gabrielle"... only to learn THAT wasn't her.

As for disgusting comedy, laughed when Renee laughed at herself and the "vomit" humor on the commentary.

:barf2:
 
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Whoa!

I can see what I'll be doing tonight. :rommie:

Oh my, now I'm into the RJ Stewart Q&A from 2008.

So far, loved this part re: the sin trades (still no explanation of the title!).

Q: in Adventures of the Sin Trade, what was the deal with Anokin, the girl Alti brought along with her when she first approached Xena? Was she a "gift?" a bribe? was she in essence a slave or...just an apprentice? Xena was very upset whe she died and went to the afterlife to see her again, so I assume she really cared about this girl. Was she as Xena said a "friend", or something more? edited: to add a question

RJ: We were definitely thinking of Anokin as being a emotional complication for Xena beyond mere friendship but I fear we didn't develop in enough to make that clear. Those Sin Trade eps were crowded enough as it is
 
If you're rewatching the series you should really hit;
http://xena.yuku.com/

More Xena fans than you can shake a stick at:)

Whoa!

I can see what I'll be doing tonight. :rommie:

Oh my, now I'm into the RJ Stewart Q&A from 2008.

So far, loved this part re: the sin trades (still no explanation of the title!).

Q: in Adventures of the Sin Trade, what was the deal with Anokin, the girl Alti brought along with her when she first approached Xena? Was she a "gift?" a bribe? was she in essence a slave or...just an apprentice? Xena was very upset whe she died and went to the afterlife to see her again, so I assume she really cared about this girl. Was she as Xena said a "friend", or something more? edited: to add a question

RJ: We were definitely thinking of Anokin as being a emotional complication for Xena beyond mere friendship but I fear we didn't develop in enough to make that clear. Those Sin Trade eps were crowded enough as it is


More love for the 2008 Q&A...

Q: 5) "Adventures in the Sin Trade" I & II are great examples of how lost Xena is without Gabrielle. Do you think Gabrielle is stronger than Xena in that way, that she could go on without Xena? If the roles had been reversed in "A Friend in Need" do you think that Xena would have just poured the ashes in the fountain to get Gabrielle back?

RJ: Fabulous question. ( :bolian: ) Yes, in that way, Xena needed Gabrielle more than Gabrielle needed Xena. Xena would have poured those ashes. Her view of herself as savior of the innocent rather than a slayer was very dependent on the love and admiration she got from Gabrielle.




Q: 1) In your episode "Ulysses" Xena says that she loves Ulysses, was she in love with him? Because this seems like a very quick leap for Xena due to the fact that she never fell so fast or was never shown to be the "love at first sight" type. My friend thinks it was just a "lets see how badly we can torment Gabrielle" episode. Thoughts?

RJ: I agree that Xena fell in love too quickly there. Perhaps, she was just ready for a passionate fling and talked herself into it. I don't think she was torturing Gabrielle. She was never subtle ( :rofl: ) when she did that.

Q: 2) In the DVD interview for your Season 3 episode "Forgiven" you said that when Xena walks away in the last scene because she didn't want to be forgiven that she "still has to redeem herself...she has much more to do", do you think that Xena feels that she does deserve forgiveness at the end of the series with "A Friend in Need" I & II? By that time does she think she has done enough to redeem herself or was it just a single selfless act that she really didn't consider that much, she just knew she had to die to save those souls?

RJ: The great awakening that Xena had in "Sins of the Past" can be stated thus: "I've lived a life of a death maker. Now, I've had an epiphany, a revelation, a vision. I see what I've done, the consequences, the suffering I've caused. Perhaps, I'll destroy myself so I can hurt no one else. Wait, people are in trouble. I'll help them.

That's it!

I'll give my life to protecting innocent people against people like me. And will that redeem me? Maybe, if I do it long enough, but really it's up to someone else to decide that. I must keep working to help people. I don't want to be "forgiven" in a ceremonial way so I feel better about myself. Did the people I killed for greed and revenge ever get a chance to feel better about themselves? I must continue to protect the innocent and any time I see a way to make up for the Sins of the Past, I must embrace it. How it all ends, a higher power will decide, but I know my mission and I will give my life to it."

With that in mind, I would answer your question by saying that whether she deserves forgiveness is irrelevant to Xena. She knows her role in the universe and she's going to play that role no matter what the consequences.

Me talking here, just admitting a failing...

The first AND second time through "Sins of the Past", I didn't realize that Xena was giving up, either by suppressing her warrior side or by suicide. Then I started reading QA's and commentaries and realized THAT was what she was doing when she buried her armor. (Silly me, I thought she was hiding it to infiltrate the village and attack the bandits from within.)

Really enjoyed the Q&A, and recommend the rest of the chat when you have a chance. :techman:

Thanks to saturn5 for clueing me in to the website, even if I STILL don't know why they call the "Sin Trades" ep by that name.

;)
 
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Episode 73 season 4 #5 "A Good Day"

An amazing episode, actually, when you consider that despite Caesar and Pompey having pivotal roles, its actually all about Gabrielle.

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In the teaser, Gabrielle is in the thick of the fighting, trying to get the women/kids away, taking down some Roman soldiers, knocking a flipping Javelin from the air with her staff.

In the first act, she takes a new recruit under her wing... a young teen who doesn't look old enough to shave, and she's at Xena's side as they watch the villagers burn their town to the ground, and she leads those leaving through the cliff pass through Pompey's army as Xena distracts him with a feint from a nearby hilltop.

In the second act... Gabrielle stands with the remaining villagers, preparing for the horror that will come after the fighting begins.

(In the Greek's makeshift hospital cavern)
Gabrielle: "Take that over to the right."
Flanigus' Wife: "You've done this before."
Gabrielle: "A couple of times."
Flanigus' Wife: "I've never been in a war. I've only wondered what it was like and I'd think of Flanigus out there fighting. Sometimes the thoughts were too much to bear."
Gabrielle: "I know what you mean."
Flanigus' Wife: "I could tell that he, that he hated it. He wrote to me, telling me there was no glory, no honor, just a monster that needed to be fed. [Sighs] And now I finally have him back... the monster's followed him home."
Temecula: "Is Flanigus gonna be OK?"
Gabrielle: "Yeah. He's with Xena."
Temecula: "It's just I've known him all my life. He's like a father to me. Somehow, the idea that he's a soldier and he's, he's killing people. I wonder what that's like, to kill someone."
Gabrielle: "It changes everything, everything."

By act three... it was time for the first tete e tete between Gabrielle and Xena in those same caverns, after she returns from spying on Caesar.

Gabrielle's Voice: "How'd it go?"
Xena: "Mixed bag. Did we hear from Pompey?"
Temecula: "Uh, yeah-- we told his messenger just what you wanted. He'll be there."
Xena: "Excellent. Olivas, are the catapults ready?"
Oli: "They're getting `em ready, now."
Flanigus: "Good. I'll go give the men a hand."
Xena: "Gabrielle."
Gabrielle: "Huh?"
Xena: "Come with me?"
(Outside, overlooking Caesar's armycamp. Hundreds of campfires are seen stretching to the horizon.)
Gabrielle: "Look at that."
Xena: "When I was listening to Caesar, I heard him mention a reserve detachment. When the battle starts, they'll be coming from the woods. I think I know how I can stop them."
Gabrielle: "And still keep Caesar and Pompey from taking control of their armies?"
Xena: "It won't be easy but there's something else, another part of Caesar's plan."
Gabrielle: "What is it?"
Xena: "I don't know. I won't be here when everything breaks loose. Whatever Caesar appears to do, it's always part of a design. I'm afraid that Flanigus won't see that. But you know Caesar and you know how I think."
(But this isn't last year. Gabrielle has learned since Vercinix what she can and what she can't do, and she's not afraid to stand up to Xena in her hour of want.)
Gabrielle: "I can't give the command. I cannot lead these men to their deaths."
Xena: (True to her word at the end of "When in Rome", Xena bows to the morality of her "only" friend) "I'll tell Flanigus."

Act 4 opens with suspect news as far as Gabrielle is concerned...

Temecula: "It's over! The battle! It's over!"
Gabrielle:
"What?"
Temecula: "Caesar's pulling back. They're retreating."
Flanigus Wife: "Oh thank the gods!"
Gabrielle: "Wait-- it can't be. It's a trap."
Temecula: "What do you mean? We don't have to fight, now. Flanigus is already bringing our men back."
Gabrielle: "No. No, this is the trap that Xena was talking about. We can't pull back!"
(She runs out of the cavern to meet Flanigus leading his men across the meadow)
Gabrielle: "Flanigus!"
Flanigus: "Gabrielle! They're pulling back! Caesar's legions are in retreat! We've won."
Gabrielle: "Flanigus, listen to me. Caesar will not retreat. He's too arrogant. If we don't finish what Xena started, Caesar will win. I am positive."
(And of course this ep is about Xena's growing faith in Gabrielle)

Flaningus: (To the men grumbling behind him) "OK, listen up! Before she left Xena told me to listen to Gabrielle. Xena wanted us to trust her! (To Gabrielle) You're in command."

We are so used to seeing Gabrielle battle the bad guys, that we forget she's usually doing it within 60 feet of a freaking Warrior Princess.

Remember the fight with the super centaur created when her former Lieutenant drank of the ixion stone? Xena is out in the field with the evil centaur, and yet she can see her battling bard about to lose a fight back on the perimeter of the village's defenses. She throws (her chakram? an axe?) her weapon backwards, impaling Gabrielle's assailant before turning her full attention back to the centaur.

Here and now we see Gabrielle lead her army of villagers and miners up and over the ramparts, straight at Caesar's troops... but... where is Xena?

Xena?

She's at the bottom of a mine shaft fighting Caesar and Pompey, keeping them both from joining the battle raging above, keeping them from saving their armies from the foolishness of the men under their command.

I don't know what was more frightening.

Watching Gabrielle in the midst of a battle royale, with death on all sides...

or

Watching Xena run through that same battle, shouting her name, trying to find Gabrielle before she dies under some unknown soldier's blade.

"G-a-a-bbbr-iii-eee-l-l-l-l-e-e-e !!!!!!!"

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You are so used to Xena saving Gabrielle... you don't really consider the idea that maybe, just maybe, this time she won't get there in time.

For a moment or two or three, Gabrielle has stopped and she slowly looks around her and sees, feels, smells the horror that is war. She is shocked by that monster that followed Flanigus home... she then sees him kill and crow to the sky over his victory... she sees him blind to the attack coming from his flank... she tries to scream a warning but she's too far away and the war is too loud... she sees him fall to the ground, ... she sees him block a thrust from his enemy's blade... oh gods.

We see her look about... we see her pick up a javelin so like her trusty staff... we see her look at the tip and settle her face into a battle masque... we see her throw the javelin with ALL her might at Flanigus' attacker... and we see her MISS, a good 15 feet to the left of the man now plunging a sword deep into her friend's chest.

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!"


As the enemy turns to look up at Gabrielle, he smiles, and we know who he will kill next. But then suddenly... THUMP!!!!!! An arrow pierces HIS heart and as he falls Gabrielle turns to see...

...NOT Xena.

She sees that young man she took under her wing, that young man who wondered "what" it would be like to kill someone.

His face says it all.

He's changed.

He's changed forever.

Xena, where ARE you?

She's running across the now "still" battlefield until she finally sees a blonde woman kneeling, her back to Xena. Across her lap is a dead friend, but Gabrielle has eyes not for him, not for Xena, she's simply looking out across the battlefield.

Xena: (Gently, as she kneels next to her soul weary friend) "Gabrielle."
Gabrielle: (Buisness-like) "I have the, the men looking for the wounded. I'm not really sure how many there are, b... "
Xena: (Gently) "Gabrielle, stop."
Gabrielle [Sighs]: "It took a little while for the armies to start fighting, but they did. Everything, everything worked out just like you said." (Looks down at Flanigus in her lap, Temecula is nearby crying) "Almost everything." [Cries as Xena takes her in her arms, and kisses the top of her head.]

Xena is singing once again her funeral dirge for the fallen villagers who tricked Caesar and Pompey into killing each other's armies.

Finally she comes up to Gabrielle for their final tete e tete.

Gabrielle: (Quietly to Xena, as her soul cries) "I could have saved him. How do I get over that?"
Xena: "I can't answer that question, maybe cause there's nothing I can say that can take away that feeling you have. You wanna know that what you did was for all the right reasons, but with that pain in your gut and the weight on your shoulders, the best you can come up with is that it was a good day of fighting. I've seen so many changes in you, things I could never have expected, but as hard as the changes have been, you've gotta know that it's for a reason. All this is for a reason. Otherwise, what's the point? I was asking myself that same question when I first met you."
Gabrielle: (Looks across the burning pyres at her apprentice) "I should talk to Temecula. I should tell him that that what he did was for the greater good, and there is a reason for it. It was a good day of fighting."

:weep:




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From RJ Stewart's Q&A 2008 (Referenced above) Re: Gabrielle

Q: What she just a side-kick, plot device, Xena's (sic) consciousness, the light, or something else entirely?


RJ: I saw Gabrielle as Everywoman. I know that was Rob's original vision of her, too. She was the one the audience could relate to. We were seeing Xena's experience through Gabrielle's eyes. I took the Xena scrolls concept very seriously. Xena's heroic exploits had been suppressed by sexist academics for centuries. The discovery of the Xena Scrolls, written by her beloved companion, Gabrielle, the Bard of Potidea, has restored her to her proper place in ancient history and myth. We were simply dramatizing those scrolls.
 
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A fun answer from RJ's 2008 Q&A....

Q:Many of us lament together that as fans talking about our love for XWP, we have to contend with those cliché reactions. They boil down to either: "Meh, that chop sockey crap" or "Oh, that lesbian show". We sometimes admit to being hesitant to defend the show, if only because it's such an uphill battle to explain there's so much more than it's reputation. I suspect you experience those tired dismissals as well, having spoofed such comments on, for example, the uber eps. Have you encountered these attitudes within the industry, and does it ever deflate you too? If only RJ himself would give us a sterling comeback to shut 'em down!

RJ: Give a resounding Xena yell and slice the villain's head off. It's the only sane response.

I do sympathize. Once, when Xena was becoming an international phenomena, I lunched with a writer I'd worked with before but hadn't seen for a while. As I drove to the restaurant, I was sure he would be congratulatory and maybe a little jealous. Instead, he treated me as if something had gone terribly wrong with my career. How could I fall into such desperate straits that I would stoop to write Xena? When I explained to him I loved writing for the show and was very proud of it, he thought I was lying. I realized then that Xena was not going to be widely perceived as the quality show we Xenites know it is. I think the best revenge against the mockers is just to be secure in your love of the show. I've noticed how easy it is to silence people by just being shamelessly proud.

Me again...

I have to admit it, this is what I've done for YEARS re: Star Trek in general and Voyager in particular.

er..

I do the shamelessly proud thing, :bolian: NOT the cut off the villian's head thing. :rommie:
 
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Yeah a Good Day is ok, it ain't that great although I always like Ceaser in an ep. As you say we see the development very much of Gabby the General here
 
Episode 74 season 4 #6 "A Tale of Two Muses"


The first time we saw Tara (season 3: Forgiven), she elicited my FAV Gabrielle line of the ep/season/probably the entire series. "I sleep next to Xena."

:rommie:

There isn't a line comparable to that in this ep, but there's a scene that comes close. For those who don't know, this ep is Xena:WP's version of Kevin Bacon's "Footloose". The town has outlawed dancing so as soon as she heard, NATURALLY Gabrielle wants to dance, dance, dance while poor Xena just wants to sleep, sleep, sleep.

Xena: "Ugh, huh."
Gabrielle: "Ugh, huh?"....I gotta dance." (Tries to get up)
Xena: (Bats her back down) "Go to sleep."

This scene works just as well in english or spanish (?), which is a good thing because...

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:rommie:

The plot is simple, find a way to embolden the silent majority to stand up for themselves and take back their town, and shanghai Autolycus into helping them do it.

(HEY! He has a LOT to answer for, considering what he put us through in "Vanishing Act"! :p )

Oh, and we've got to to repair Gabrielle's boots before she's forced to go barefoot.

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(To be true to the episode, ignore Joxer & the Amazons. ;) )

Of course, if Gabrielle keeps breaking out into a dance everytime the cobbler turns around, being barefoot won't be a problem since she'll be in jail, or worse. (They whip kids in the town square for dancing. I'll give you three guesses WHO objected to THAT! :scream: "Tall, piercing blue eyes, beautiful, throws a mean right hook... looks like she's already thrown it..." :lol: )

Basically, this is the last 3:55 of the entire episode,
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3:46 is my fav freeze frame of the 6 seasons! :hugegrin:

Hey! Its the 6th ep of the 4th season, and we've already had the heavy drama in the Sin Trades, Family Affair, and A Good Day.

We NEED a little kick back and have fun... :mallory:

...and if there's an absence of lice or fungus, goat poo and stomach viruses... all the BETTER! :bolian:
 
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From the archives of the xena magazine, with much thanks to saturn5's original weblink....

RJ STewart, writer of the "Sins of the Past" pilot, "Callisto", "The Debts:, "the Adv's in Sin Trades", "Crusader"... http://articles.xwponline.net/titan/oxm1-rjstewart.php

Renee O'Connor (end of Season 4 from the sound of it.. ) http://articles.xwponline.net/titan/oxm1-angel.php

And Rob Tapert Executive producer, director, and married to "someone" :rolleyes: from the show... ... http://articles.xwponline.net/titan/oxm1-redemption.php ;)
 
Episode 74 season 4 #6 "A Tale of Two Muses"


The first time we saw Tara (season 3: Forgiven), she elicited my FAV Gabrielle line of the ep/season/probably the entire series. "I sleep next to Xena."

:rommie:

There isn't a line comparable to that in this ep, but there's a scene that comes close. For those who don't know, this ep is Xena:WP's version of Kevin Bacon's "Footloose". The town has outlawed dancing so as soon as she heard, NATURALLY Gabrielle wants to dance, dance, dance while poor Xena just wants to sleep, sleep, sleep.

Xena: "Ugh, huh."
Gabrielle: "Ugh, huh?"....I gotta dance." (Tries to get up)
Xena: (Bats her back down) "Go to sleep."

This scene works just as well in english or spanish (?), which is a good thing because...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m18OVub1Gdo :rommie:

The plot is simple, find a way to embolden the silent majority to stand up for themselves and take back their town, and shanghai Autolycus into helping them do it.

(HEY! He has a LOT to answer for, considering what he put us through in "Vanishing Act"! :p )

Oh, and we've got to to repair Gabrielle's boots before she's forced to go barefoot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cQHzEn0HPM&feature=fvw (To be true to the episode, ignore Joxer & the Amazons. ;) )

Of course, if Gabrielle keeps breaking out into a dance everytime the cobbler turns around, being barefoot won't be a problem since she'll be in jail, or worse. (They whip kids in the town square for dancing. I'll give you three guesses WHO objected to THAT! :scream: "Tall, piercing blue eyes, beautiful, throws a mean right hook... looks like she's already thrown it..." :lol: )

Basically, this is the last 3:55 of the entire episode, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThhdqQzjZnI&feature=related 3:46 is my fav freeze frame of the 6 seasons! :hugegrin:

Hey! Its the 6th ep of the 4th season, and we've already had the heavy drama in the Sin Trades, Family Affair, and A Good Day.

We NEED a little kick back and have fun... :mallory:

...and if there's an absence of lice or fungus, goat poo and stomach viruses... all the BETTER! :bolian:

It's ok, pretty stupid but always good to see Autolycus and nice to have Tara back
 
Episode 74 season 4 #6 "A Tale of Two Muses"


The first time we saw Tara (season 3: Forgiven), she elicited my FAV Gabrielle line of the ep/season/probably the entire series. "I sleep next to Xena."

:rommie:

There isn't a line comparable to that in this ep, but there's a scene that comes close. For those who don't know, this ep is Xena:WP's version of Kevin Bacon's "Footloose". The town has outlawed dancing so as soon as she heard, NATURALLY Gabrielle wants to dance, dance, dance while poor Xena just wants to sleep, sleep, sleep.

Xena: "Ugh, huh."
Gabrielle: "Ugh, huh?"....I gotta dance." (Tries to get up)
Xena: (Bats her back down) "Go to sleep."

This scene works just as well in english or spanish (?), which is a good thing because...

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:rommie:

The plot is simple, find a way to embolden the silent majority to stand up for themselves and take back their town, and shanghai Autolycus into helping them do it.

(HEY! He has a LOT to answer for, considering what he put us through in "Vanishing Act"! :p )

Oh, and we've got to to repair Gabrielle's boots before she's forced to go barefoot.

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(To be true to the episode, ignore Joxer & the Amazons. ;) )

Of course, if Gabrielle keeps breaking out into a dance everytime the cobbler turns around, being barefoot won't be a problem since she'll be in jail, or worse. (They whip kids in the town square for dancing. I'll give you three guesses WHO objected to THAT! :scream: "Tall, piercing blue eyes, beautiful, throws a mean right hook... looks like she's already thrown it..." :lol: )

Basically, this is the last 3:55 of the entire episode,
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3:46 is my fav freeze frame of the 6 seasons! :hugegrin:

Hey! Its the 6th ep of the 4th season, and we've already had the heavy drama in the Sin Trades, Family Affair, and A Good Day.

We NEED a little kick back and have fun... :mallory:

...and if there's an absence of lice or fungus, goat poo and stomach viruses... all the BETTER! :bolian:

It's ok, pretty stupid but always good to see Autolycus and nice to have Tara back

To quote Forest Gump... "Stupid is as stupid does." :cool:

Speaking of Gump...
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Speaking of Xena...
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:techman: Its GOOD to be Kin... errrr Queen!

Speaking of "the girls..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO8PSj2Py9E

"Of course, You're not like most girls!" :guffaw:

Hey, we've had HOW MUCH drama in the last 5 "weeks"... and have you noticed what's up next???? :scream:

We NEED a breather sat5!

Even just an "ok" one.

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episode 75, season 4 #7 "Locked Up and Tied Down"

Although there is a great set of interviews on the dvd, they haven't found their way to youtube yet.

Strangely enough, the deleted scenes/extended scenes HAVE made their way there, and can be found here.

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And another 20 sec one here.

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Although I usually prefer the televised version, the deleted scenes definately demonstrate how we go from A to C in the courtship of "Gabrielle and Thalasa".

Considering who's influence she's usually under (Xena) who's trying to recruit her (Thalassa) and who's coming NEXT week (Najara), Gabrielle can be forgiven for feeling a little like the only game in town.

But I'm getting ahead of myself.

Great teaser... for "subtext", for comradeship, for foreshadowing...

Gabrielle: "I can't find it."
Xena: "It's there."
Gabrielle: "I-- got it. I got it."
Xena: (Corrects Gently) "Gabrielle, stop searching with your eyes."
Gabrielle: "All right-- no eyes.."
Xena: "Find it? Ahhhh. You found it."
Gabrielle: "I learned from the best."
Xena: [Sighs]
Gabrielle:
"What in Tartarus have you been carrying on these shoulders?"
Xena: "I wouldn't know. I try not to overanalyze my life, like some people."
Gabrielle: "Some people say the unexamined life is not worth living."
Xena: "Those people haven't lived my life."

Great set up for a great ep, and the teaser's barely half way through!

Xena & Gabby fight 6 men, and win.

Or so they thought.

Gabrielle: (Reading the parchment xena took off the leader) "This is an arrest warrant, for you."
Xena: "For what?!"
Gabrielle: "Murder."
Xena: (Grabs for the warrant) "Give me that."
Messenger: "Does the name, `Thalassa', mean anything to you, Xena? Perhaps you've killed so many people since then. You don't remember."
Xena: "I remember Thalassa."
Gabrielle: "Just because someone wrote that on a piece of parchment doesn't make it true. Tell him, Xena."
Xena: "I did it."
Gabrielle: "Well, she was crazed or, she was armed, right? There was some sort of mitigating circumstance."
Xena: "Gabrielle, she was innocent. She did nothing to me and I killed her because it suited my purposes. How's that for mitigating circumstances? Here." (Xena tries to hand her Chakram to Gabrielle)
Gabrielle: (refuses to take it) "What are you doing?"
Xena: "I'm going back with them. You said yourself that I had the weight of the world on my shoulders. Maybe it's the weight of my guilt. This is my chance to do something about it. (waves the weapon that defines her once again at Gabrielle) Take it! You know I'm right." (finally hands the chakram off to her friend)

The sight of Xena being put into shackles; wrists, ankles, and neck as she stood without resisting was a freaking sight to behold.

Holy ....

Well, Callisto is dead, so the main reminder of all the horror Xena has done in her past is gone. And oh by the way, Gabrielle, in case you forgot how Callisto was "born"... it WAS from the ashes of the war brought upon innocents that stood between YOUR best friend and her goals.

2 years ago, in her naivete, this was how Gabrielle described Xena to Solon.

Gabrielle: “You know, she’s a good person, too. She always does what’s right-- even when it hurts her. I forget that sometimes.”
Solon: “She’s not like I heard.”
Gabrielle: “You know, this is the only Xena I’ve ever known. I find it hard to understand the hatred that she gets sometimes, when we travel, from people who just don’t know her the way I know her. I guess they’re afraid of the old Xena.”



Surprising to see, after traveling with Xena for over 3 years now, Gabrielle is still just as naive AND as forgetful.

During her trial, I was struck by how Xena described Thalassa. She spoke in terms we've only heard her use to describe Gabrielle. "She had a light..."

And after Xena is convicted, and sentenced to life in prison, this is how she explains it to the battling bard.

Xena: "There's no defense for what I did, Gabrielle."
Gabrielle: "Xena, you could have argued the greater good. Come on! Surely, what you can do outside prison will outweigh... !"
Xena: "What? Outweigh what? The pain that that young girl felt as she was being eaten alive?"
(And the friend who once challenged Xena to "examine" her life, changes her mind.)
Gabrielle: "Don't."
Xena:
"Gabrielle, she was like you. She had your kind of spirit and I killed that. What can outweigh that?"
Gabrielle: "Xena, if you're looking for redemption, you're not gonna find it there."
Xena: "I'm not looking for redemption any more. Gabrielle, we're always talking about your spiritual quest." (Harkening back to "Family Affair") You say that you need something to make you feel complete. Well, so do I."

Xena finally admits her deepest secret to Gabrielle. NOTHING I can do will ever atone for the evil I HAVE done, so I might as well take on all the guilt, and sacrifice my life to daily punishment.

The goodbye on the dock was heartbreaking in that the one thing Gabrielle has always been able to do, nurture the humanity in her Warrior, she was unable to do. It was Xena's humanity that let herself be taken, it was her humanity that allowed her to kneel at the altar of justice and accept its decision. As far as Xena was concerned, she had 3+ years of freedom and 3+ years of friendship more than she deserved. She seemed embarrassed when led away... but for what? For promising Gabrielle more than she could deliver? How long could a murderer get away with that?

3+ years.

Although I liked the deleted barroom scenes with Gabby and the healer, I prefered the televised version where we are left to assume what our bard does next. It harkens back to season 1's "Black Wolf" when Gabrielle learns Xena has been taken prisoner, and she gets herself arrested to bring the WP the tools of her trade, the whip and the chakram.

How long did Xena play the good prisoner before she could stand it no longer? The next boat to shark island wasn't for a week, and it seemed that Xena went into the pit the day Gabby arrived so I'm guessing 6-7 days.

An eternity, for a Warrior Princess, I'm sure.

Then another eternity waiting for Gabby to find her. The deleted scenes and the final one between Xena, Thalassa and Gabrielle suggests Gabby was there 2-4 days before she finally found Xena.

Days in which Xena could contemplate the last words Thalassa said before she had Xena tossed into the pit to die.

Thalassa: "I've been watching you since you came here, Xena. At first, I couldn't figure out what you were up to, helping people, building that silly little shrine. And then I realized what I heard about you was true. You're trying to make up for all the evil things you've done. How pathetic. As if any of it could make up for what you did to me."

.....

Thalassa: "You know, Xena? The thought of you has haunted me every moment of my life. Do you understand what that's like?"
Xena: "Yes, I do."....

.....

Thalassa: "You finally have the punishment you sought, but it's for a murder you didn't even commit. Don't you just love the irony?"


Time to think about what Gabrielle said to her on the dock, before Xena boarded the prison ship.

Gabrielle: "You could have said something in your defense."
Xena: "There's no defense for what I did, Gabrielle."
Gabrielle: "Xena, you could have argued the greater good. Come on! Surely, what you can do outside prison will outweigh... !"

Time to think about what Gabrielle said about her in the courtroom...


Gabrielle: "This was a terrible waste of a life. But Xena, Xena has changed."
Judge: "And you believe in her conversion?"
Gabrielle: "Yes."

Yes!

One simple affirmation that should have had great meaning to one Warrior Princess.

Season 3's "Forgiven".
Gabrielle: “Xena, if you can say with a straight face that you believe in her, that’ll go a long way with a confused kid like that. It did with me. It’s easier to believe in yourself after someone else has believed in you first.”


Xena may not be able to forgive herself, but eventually she can see the truth. There IS no defense for what she did, so its time to stop hiding in the bowels of that prison, and do what she's best at. Righting a wrong, and defending the innocent.

Warden: (To the new inmates in the yard, before the gallows) "Welcome, ladies, to Shark Island prison. Everything you've heard is true. But keep your noses clean, obey the guards and your lives will be bearable, short, but bearable. Break the rules and suffer the ultimate punishment! This woman was caught trying to help a prisoner to escape. Tsk-tsk-tsk-tsk-tsk. For this action, death! Whenever you're ready, Commandant."
---
Xena: (Being creative with a rat, in the pit) "Uh!"
---
Warden: (Outside in the yard) "We're waiting."
Thalassa: (Looking up to Gabrielle, her healer, on the gallows) "I can't."
Warden: "I can. Do it!"
(And suddenly the MOST welcome sound of a chakram spinning through the air greets our ears, and slices through the rope attached to Gabrielle's neck. She falls clean through the open bottom of the gallows gate, hitting the ground hard.)
Women's Voices: "It's-- it's Xena!" "Oh!"
....

[Fight]
Xena: (fights her way to Gabrielle's side) "Get out of my way! Gabrielle! Gabrielle."
Gabrielle: (Thankfully, as Xena cuts her bonds with the Chakram.) "Xena."

Then as always with X:WP, when there's not a big dance number at the end of the show, there's a big FIGHT "number" to get our juices going. Loved how Gabrielle took charge of the Commandant and took on ? how many? bad gals before their leader took her down.

Loved how Xena came flying in through the shutters, kicking and WP yelling as she flew, eventually kicking their leader OUT the 2nd floor window to finish their fight outside.

But I especially loved the end... between Thalassa and Xena...

Thalassa: "Now, I owe my life to you. The gods certainly love playing with our fates, don't they?"
Xena: "Thalassa, I can't ask your forgiveness. I wronged you terribly. But there's one thing I know. When I met you, you were a wonderful, loving person. And if you continue to let that love be buried under bitterness and anger, evil wins."
Thalassa:
"What you say it's true. Your friend here, she helped me get back in touch with something these last few days, my soul. My ability to do good had been crippled. The evil Xena, she did that to me. Don't let her do it to you. Thank you, Gabrielle."


... and between Xena and Gabrielle.

Gabrielle: "So, how about it?"
Xena: "How about what?"
Gabrielle: "Forgiving yourself."
Xena: "Gabrielle, that's not for me. But I won't let that monster that I used to be-- the one that's sleeping so close to my heart, destroy all the good I can do now."
Gabrielle: (Hands back the chakram) "Not as long as I'm around."

Xena's heart:
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Xena in a woman's prison, because the series just isn't subtexty enough! (although it's more like Gabby/Thassala than anything else) It's ok, once again we see how nasty old Xena is and takes it out on a girl very much like Gabby. It's an ok ep but the horrific crab scene aside not that much to recommend it.
 
I love that dancing episode. Tara was such a great character (and Shiri was adorable) in both of her episodes and as usual, Bruce Campbell was wonderful as Autolycus. I love the way he'd call the villain ESTEFAAAN in that purposely cheesy Southern accent. His crooked preacher act was hammy, but hilarious. As a slight, inconsequential feel good episode to (as mentioned by the thread starter) provide some comic relief after some darker episodes, I think it's one of the best examples in the series.
 
I love that dancing episode. Tara was such a great character (and Shiri was adorable) in both of her episodes and as usual, Bruce Campbell was wonderful as Autolycus. I love the way he'd call the villain ESTEFAAAN in that purposely cheesy Southern accent. His crooked preacher act was hammy, but hilarious. As a slight, inconsequential feel good episode to (as mentioned by the thread starter) provide some comic relief after some darker episodes, I think it's one of the best examples in the series.


That reminds me of the exchange between him and Gabrielle before the first war/dance lesson, when she's obviously itching to dance.

Gabrielle: "I'm really getting into these metal patches. I like steel."
Autolycus: "Gabrielle, I sense that there's some-- pent-up-- energy-- some-- frustration eating at you-- some-- unresolved desire. Ha! I can tell, you need to get-- "
Gabrielle: "-- dancing! I just wanna dance."
Auto: "Uh, well, actually, I was on a different track."

:devil:

Sounds like Autolycus wanted to channel Xena again, like back in season 2.

;)
 
Xena in a woman's prison, because the series just isn't subtexty enough! (although it's more like Gabby/Thassala than anything else) It's ok, once again we see how nasty old Xena is and takes it out on a girl very much like Gabby. It's an ok ep but the horrific crab scene aside not that much to recommend it.

You'd like listening to Rick Jacobson the director on the dvd, discuss the "horrific" crab scene.

Despite using real live crabs, that horrifying scene was all courtesy of the magic of editing.

The crabs basically did nothing. They had to pull them on wires just to make them move.

:rolleyes:

As for subtext; Thalassa certainly seemed more interested in her healer than simple professional interest.

I liked that little look between Thal/Gab/Xena at the end, when Thalassa told Xena how much Gabrielle had "helped her" in the last few days, "get in touch".

:p
 
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