Any Xena:WP fans on the boards?

[kirk55555]

I'm sure there are some good Season 6 episodes. But, for as much hate as I've seen some people (not here, but in other parts of the internet) give Joxer, I always considered him an important part of the show. So without him, and with the general decline in writing, I just never wanted to keep going once the show time jumps. I might eventually, but its just not super appealing right now.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

I agree with you. I LOVED Joxer, more than Gabrielle. Which is why you might enjoy Soul Posession and When Fates Collide...

 

[JanewayRulz!]

Hey the dancing scene makes the whole season worth it!

I said YOWZA!

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

You didn't type it in bold so I didn't see that much emphasis. Go bold or go home!

 

[JanewayRulz!]

I'm sure there are some good Season 6 episodes. But, for as much hate as I've seen some people (not here, but in other parts of the internet) give Joxer, I always considered him an important part of the show. So without him, and with the general decline in writing, I just never wanted to keep going once the show time jumps. I might eventually, but its just not super appealing right now.

Oh, I think we all love Joxer here.

In fact, although its the first ep after the birth of Eve, season 5's Eternal Bonds is a bittersweet ode to the ship that would never sail... Gabrielle and Joxer.

Joxer is ill and has been intermittently delirious. He's not delirious now as Gabrielle cradles him near death.

Joxer: "I dreamt we were in trouble-- you know?"
Gabrielle: "Us? No way."
Joxer: "Us. How come there was never an `us,' Gabrielle?"
Gabrielle: "Why... why do people love the people that they do? I don't... I don't know."
Joxer: "I know why. Because you made me feel special."
Gabrielle: "You are special."
Joxer: "Not special enough."
Gabrielle: "You're special enough to see me through the worst times of my life, enough that I've come to rely on you as a very good friend."
Joxer: "Why didn't you love me, Gabrielle?"
Gabrielle: "I do love you. It's just not the way that you want it... I guess. I wish I did. (Gabrielle hears someone approaching their hideout) Joxer, lie still, OK? (Its another friend of Joxer) Xena-- thank the gods. Did you get to the tree?"

I agree with you. I LOVED Joxer, more than Gabrielle. Which is why you might enjoy Soul Posession and When Fates Collide...

And since WFC is really a stand alone, mirror universe (not like Married with Fishsticks!!!) kind of ep, you don't need to know anything about season 5 or 6 to enjoy it. (Knowing the first ep of season 5 helps with some irony in WFC but that's about it.)

What isn't "ironic" however, is who stood by the Empress throughout the ep, even when she was stripped of power and sent to her death. He was there, so she wouldn't be "alone".

"You're special enough to see me through the worst times of my life, enough that I've come to rely on you as a very good friend."

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[Sparkle Fabulosa]

I always felt so bad for Joxer All he wanted was Gabrielle and instead he got saddled with Meg, who was a fun lady but Joxer deserved better.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

I always felt so bad for Joxer All he wanted was Gabrielle and instead he got saddled with Meg, who was a fun lady but Joxer deserved better.

Deserved better?

Each had serious issues and yet Joxer and Meg raised 4?5? kids who were devoted to them, ran an Inn that provided for their livelihood and enough extra to send their son to school.

Sure, they hollered at each other, but I suspect there was true love in that Inn and their kids thrived because of it.

Virgil: (To newly repentant Eve) "You know... in my entire life, I never saw my father be cruel to a man, woman, child, nor beast?! He brought joy to everybody who knew him... and you? You killed him."
Xena: "(to Eve as Virgil walks away) That kind of reaction comes with the territory."
Gabrielle: "Where are you going?"
Virgil: "My mother was mad with grief. She took my brothers and sisters to Athens to stay with some relatives. I'm going to catch up with them."

Joxer...

The best friend of Xena and Gabrielle.

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[Sparkle Fabulosa]

Well when you refresh my memory with that dialogue...

But still I kind of felt like Joxer settled for Meg because she was the only person who took an interest in him, romantically and sexually-speaking of course. I had wanted him and Lila to get together.

 

[JD]

Was Joxer that big a part of the show? i haven't watched anything but the Hercules Xena intro and the first episode, but I've read a bit about it online and I was under the impression Joxer was just an occasional guest character who was only in a small handful of episodes.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

His role was smaller but he is just as loved as Xena and Gabrielle, and he was also their most loyal and devoted friend.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

Was Joxer that big a part of the show? i haven't watched anything but the Hercules Xena intro and the first episode, but I've read a bit about it online and I was under the impression Joxer was just an occasional guest character who was only in a small handful of episodes.

According to IMDB.com he was in 42 of the 134 eps. Since he wasn't introduced until ep 22 of season 1 and killed in ep 20 of season 5 (Plus 2 in {?} season 6) that makes 42 appearances out of about 92 eps.

He WAS a minor character most of the time, but you came to feel for him and his unrequited love for Gabrielle. It was also amazing to me the tender way (when she wasn't torturing him ) Xena treated him. She knew what he was hiding from Gabrielle and she never made light of it. For specifics, see the end of season 2's finale, "A Comedy of Eros." Reading the transcript isn't enough for THAT scene.

I think that was why JG gets a brother/sister vibe from X/J.

Well, that and the torture.

Joxer is hanging from the rafters like a trussed up thanksgiving turkey. From season 2's "Intimate Stranger".

Joxer: “Hello. Hello!”
Xena: “Calm down, Joxer. We saw ya.”
Joxer: “Great! Well, you think you can cut me down, without dropping me flat on my face?”
Xena: “No.” __________________
"But life is a battle: may we all be enabled to fight it well!" Charlotte Bronte

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

I never thought about it actually but yes, I can definitely see Joxer as a sweet (sometimes annoying) little brother to Xena. She certainly treated him a lot better than Gabrielle.

 

[JD]

Oh, that's a lot more episodes than I expected. I was thinking something more along the lines of five or six.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

^ You should watch Xena.

 

[JD]

I've got some other stuff in line first, but it is in my Netflix queue.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

Xena is the first show I truly binged, way back in September 2010.

134 X:WP eps + 3 Herc prequels in about 4 weeks.

Needless to say... my brain was fried by the time October rolled around.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

It took me three years to watch all of Xena. When I decided to watch it, the Anchor Bay DVDs were no longer being made so I was forced to wait for the Universal DVDs. This was before I started watching stuff online. So when I had finished the second season I knew I couldn't wait a whole year for the third. So I found a pretty reliable site and finished 3-6 in 5 months. Once I had the fourth on DVD I started worrying that the other two weren't going to be re-released as I hadn't heard any news. Last year I broke down and bought them from an independent seller online. They came in perfect condition. The nice thing about the Anchor Bay ones are all the extras.

Two months after buying them, the fifth season was released *huge sigh* All that panicking for nothing! Oh well, at least I have them all now.

It only took me four damn years!

 

[JD]

Luckily it's streaming on Netflix now, so I don't have to worry about any of that.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

Okay, this next link is about Ash vs Evil Dead, but who can resist a headline like this?

See Lucy Lawless channel her Xena skills in Ash vs. Evil Dead clip

Well, tonight I learned a few things about X:WP that I didn't know this morning, including the words to the theme song.

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/20-things-you-didnt-know-about-xena-warrior-184524704.html

I have to assume the Ash vs Evil Dead hype is reinvigorating the interest in Xena:WP, what with these new links devoted to an anniversary that passed TWO MONTHS ago.

Xena: Warrior Princess 20 years later: The cast and creators look back

Janeway's Girl made this comment early this week.

I never thought about it actually but yes, I can definitely see Joxer as a sweet (sometimes annoying) little brother to Xena. She certainly treated him a lot better than Gabrielle.

At first I thought she meant Xena treated JOXER better than how SHE treated Gabrielle.

Then I realized she simply meant Gabrielle didn't treat Joxer that well.

Now... to be fair to Gabrielle, she probably felt like she was being stalked by Joxer in the majority of the eps. It wasn't just that Joxer had an unrealistic view of himself most of the time.

(Joxer's perception)

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Joxer was as clueless about Gabby's feelings about him as he was about Gabby's feelings for Xena, which probably amused Xena while it drove Gabby crazy.

If she was "nice" to him any more, it would have just furthered his delusions.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

Lucy Lawless & Jeri Ryan's contributions to "TBT" this week.

https://twitter.com/RealLucyLawless/status/667453733966483456

https://twitter.com/JeriLRyan/status/667453191643009024