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Ant-Man: Grade, Review, Discuss, Sequels?...SPOILERS likely

How do you grade Ant-Man?

  • A

    Votes: 56 61.5%

  • B

    Votes: 31 34.1%

  • C

    Votes: 4 4.4%

  • D

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • F

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    91
  • Poll closed .
Trekker4747 said:
Saw it last night and highly enjoyed it. Good fun and action scenes.

There's a question I have that the movie didn't make clear or other. It tries to "explain" how the technology works by saying the particles/device or whatever reduces the space between molecules in order to make things smaller. It's not actually shrinking things, reducing the number of molecules or anything like that, it's simply reducing the space between molecules to make things smaller.

While "theoretically" it makes sense it sort of makes a number of things that happen in the movie impossible. If Scott has the same number of molecules in his body then he weighs the same (the space between molecules is empty, no mass, no weight) and if he weighs the same, and is just much more dense, which makes a lot of the things he does impossible. He'd still be a some-200lb man riding a model train, or leaping off people, etc.

Which is sort of silly. And since he's still the same number of molecules and they're [/i]molecules[/i] then it's sort of impossible for him to not only go atomic but then SUB-atomic. I mean, how do you reduce the space between molecules beyond the size OF a molecule?!

And the reverse works the same too, a super-sized model train that has the space between molecules widened is still going to weigh as much as a model train which means it's not going to crush a car.

But, I'm thinking too much about it.

Still, really liked it and was a good movie. Marvel continues to win.
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It's almost like a movie called Ant-Man, set in a universe where an injection and exposure to radiation can turn you into a super-strong sex god or a green rage monster, where a bite from a radioactive spider can give you super-strength and the power to crawl walls, where a suit of armor can protect you from inertia when getting slammed into solid objects at hundreds of miles per hour, where physical contact with those for whom you share love and friendship can allow you to withstand the release of energies that would otherwise vaporize you, where Norse gods are actually aliens who look identical to humans, and where alien bodily fluids can repair all cellular damage and bring the dead back to life, might not follow the actual laws of physics! ;)
 
Lang's backstory didn't seem to quite mesh for me - he's presented as a) someone who turned to crime after being a whistle-blower and getting sacked and pulled one job which seems to actually involved hacking accounts and b) a long-term expert cat-burglar.
 
Sci said:
It's almost like a movie called Ant-Man, set in a universe where an injection and exposure to radiation can turn you into a super-strong sex god or a green rage monster, where a bite from a radioactive spider can give you super-strength and the power to crawl walls, where a suit of armor can protect you from inertia when getting slammed into solid objects at hundreds of miles per hour, where physical contact with those for whom you share love and friendship can allow you to withstand the release of energies that would otherwise vaporize you, where Norse gods are actually aliens who look identical to humans, and where alien bodily fluids can repair all cellular damage and bring the dead back to life, might not follow the actual laws of physics! ;)
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I see this argument a lot, but really it mischaracterizes the complaint that people are making. It's not that what's happening isn't scientifically accurate, I think people get, this is suspend your disbelief kind of movie franchise. The issue is they attempted to give a scientific explanation and that explanation was not internally consistent with what they then actually showed on screen. It would be no problem if they said, this works to shrink people because science. But they didn't, they tried to provide an explanation, and then completely ignored that explanation throughout the entire movie. I mean, if that's the case, why even provide one?
 
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Probably cause that explanation will work just fine for 90% of movie audiences. They aren't overly concerned with the 10% who are actually trying to make real world physics work within a fantastical fictional setting of 'what ifs'.

If this was Gravity or the upcoming Damon film Martian where real world space travel is involved and it's something most have a cursory understanding of then the science mentioned should try to make real world sense.
No one sitting in a theater knows anyone who can shrink/grow so the explanation they give suits the purpose and they move on.
 
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Pretty much it. Other super-hero movies thinly try and explain what is happening enough to justify it. The arc-reactor makes no sense as it's essentially a free-energy device but they don't entirely try and explain it. Thor being an "alien" with advanced technology that appears to be magic is a good explanation.

Here they gave an explanation and not a pseudo-science explanation of shifting around atoms to another dimension but an actual-science explanation. One reasonably "possible." And it doesn't hold up. Same mass, same weight. Still atoms, can't make atoms closer together to the point of.... making them.... smaller.... than....themselves...... ?!
 
Ant-Man has spent it's entire 6 week run in the top 10, two of those weeks consecutive #1 finishes, and is projected to make another $3m+ in it's 7th weekend placing #9/10.
It's closing in on Captain America The First Avengers $171m domestic finish.
It could even challenge Thor 1's $181m finished and both of those got sequels.
Phase 3 squeezed Spider-man into the slot that Feige was likely holding as a possibility for Ant-Man 2. Maybe an Ant-Man sequel could open Phase 4 and his appearance in CA:Civil War and maybe an Infinity War appearance would keep him high profile enough so a sequel opens well in 2020.

Ant-Man domestic: $165m+
Ant-Man worldwide: $361m+ (with China still left to open)
So it should likely cross $400m soon.
Another solid win for Marvel Studios.
 
Even if he doesn't get a solo sequel, I doubt this is the last we've seen of the characters. Like you said, we already know Ant-Man is in Civil War, and it sounds like we'll probably be seeing Hope/Wasp in a Phase 3 movie. If any of the other movies work in S.H.I.E.L.D flashbacks, then there's always a chance we could see Hank and Janet too. If they could afford the CGI de-aging effect and talk Michael Douglas into a guest role, then there's also a chance to work Hank into Agent Carter, if it goes forward into the 60s/70s.
 
Trekker4747 said:
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Pretty much it. Other super-hero movies thinly try and explain what is happening enough to justify it. The arc-reactor makes no sense as it's essentially a free-energy device but they don't entirely try and explain it. Thor being an "alien" with advanced technology that appears to be magic is a good explanation.

Here they gave an explanation and not a pseudo-science explanation of shifting around atoms to another dimension but an actual-science explanation. One reasonably "possible." And it doesn't hold up. Same mass, same weight. Still atoms, can't make atoms closer together to the point of.... making them.... smaller.... than....themselves...... ?!
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I think they hung a decent enough lampshade on it when they had Hope say that she tried explaining it to the guys and they fell asleep. The whole "it makes the spaces between the molecules smaller" could be Hank's way of avoiding a long technical discussion or deliberate misinformation so that no one can copy his work.
 
DWMarch said:
I think they hung a decent enough lampshade on it when they had Hope say that she tried explaining it to the guys and they fell asleep. The whole "it makes the spaces between the molecules smaller" could be Hank's way of avoiding a long technical discussion or deliberate misinformation so that no one can copy his work.
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Given Hank's characterization in this movie, I am leaning towards his motives for poor explanations depending on who he's talking with. If he - or Hope, who also knows this stuff inside and out - sufficiently trusts someone to the point of sharing the true details with them, we won't see that conversation due to the producers not wanting to bury the audience in technobabble.
 
Ant-Man continues to have a leggy run. It's positive WOM has carried it up to $174m US domestic now & $384m worldwide with China and a few other territories to still open later this month.

It's going to pass CapAm:TFA over next weekend, that being $176m, and then it's target should be Thor 1's tally of $181m domestic. That should be the challenge as some October films will start making it's theater drops harsher most likely. It's been able to retain more theaters partially due to good WOM and some crummy Aug films that theaters dumped as soon as they could.
 
Turtletrekker said:
As Captain Craig predicted, Ant-Man's BO has surpassed that of Captain America: the First Avenger.
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An impressive feat and I'm not sure how much inflation is at play, it's just 4yrs after all. At any rate while the article talks of passing Thor 1 Worldwide, which seems likely. However, Ant-Man could also pass Thor 1 domestically, if barely, and the marginal inflation of prices would for sure help in that scenario much more.

Would be great to see the sequel called GIant-man.
I did capitalize the GI on purpose, I think visually on a poster with the right imagery it could look good and convey that it's a sequel to Ant-Man.
 
Glad to see it's still doing well. I think one of the articles I read said it hasn't opened in China yet, so that could help with the box office some more.
 
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