Ant-Man: Grade, Review, Discuss, Sequels?...SPOILERS likely
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Well, whenever it is set it's unlikely they could afford Douglas OR the CG to 'de-age' him on a TV budget - they'd have to recast. I'd suggest Scott Wolf from V who kind of looks right. Mind you, I'd have cast him as Marty McFly in BttF4 too !
That would be pretty difficult as in the continuity (per a line from the film itself); Hank Pym made the Pym Particle breakthrough in 1975. It appears most of Hank and Janet's adventures took place in the 1980ies.
Janet died in the 80s, but I don't recall anything else in the movie. Do you remember when they talked about that?
Set in the 70's or 80's they could probably get away with conventional makeup to age Hayley Attwell if she guested, and whoever they cast as Janet would be fine for the cinematic stuff too, as presumably Wasp will come out of the microverse the same age as she went in...
I was thinking that Paul Rudd and his Ant-Man might be a good fit to guest star on AoS.
They do not need to show too much of the microverse on tv and him beating up Ward could be funny.
They do not need to show too much of the microverse on tv and him beating up Ward could be funny.
Ant-Man did manage to hold of Pixels and repeat as #1 film at the box office this past weekend! It had a very good hold to bring in another $24.9m giving it $106m US Domestic to date after 10 days. It now has a WW total of $226m.
As an interesting side it's the 9th, of 12 films released by Marvel Studios, to manage to repeat as #1 at the US box office. The only 3 films to not repeat were Incredible Hulk, CapAm:The First Avenger & Guardians of the Galaxy(I know, right?). GotG lost marginally to the new TMNT film last year but then rebounded and was #1 for weeks 3-5 of it's run.
Be curious to see if Marvel Studios and Disney put together any TV spots for this.
"Little Hero doing BIG things as Ant-Man is the #1 film for two weeks running", or something like that.
As an interesting side it's the 9th, of 12 films released by Marvel Studios, to manage to repeat as #1 at the US box office. The only 3 films to not repeat were Incredible Hulk, CapAm:The First Avenger & Guardians of the Galaxy(I know, right?). GotG lost marginally to the new TMNT film last year but then rebounded and was #1 for weeks 3-5 of it's run.
Be curious to see if Marvel Studios and Disney put together any TV spots for this.
"Little Hero doing BIG things as Ant-Man is the #1 film for two weeks running", or something like that.
I wonder if it will be able to hold out against MI: Rogue Nation this weekend.
Edit: Marvel has released an official photo of the Wasp costume from the post-credits scene.
Edit: Marvel has released an official photo of the Wasp costume from the post-credits scene.
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Variety is saying MI looks set to open soft.
MCU isn't on Pixar's level yet, but it is rather amusing how everytime one of their movies seems to be less than 90% on RT everyone starts going on about how the movie is a bomb that will ruin the studio.
I had so much fun looking up every "Guardians will destroy MCU!" critique after the debut last year.
I had so much fun looking up every "Guardians will destroy MCU!" critique after the debut last year.
Saw it last night and highly enjoyed it. Good fun and action scenes.
There's a question I have that the movie didn't make clear or other. It tries to "explain" how the technology works by saying the particles/device or whatever reduces the space between molecules in order to make things smaller. It's not actually shrinking things, reducing the number of molecules or anything like that, it's simply reducing the space between molecules to make things smaller.
While "theoretically" it makes sense it sort of makes a number of things that happen in the movie impossible. If Scott has the same number of molecules in his body then he weighs the same (the space between molecules is empty, no mass, no weight) and if he weighs the same, and is just much more dense, which makes a lot of the things he does impossible. He'd still be a some-200lb man riding a model train, or leaping off people, etc.
Which is sort of silly. And since he's still the same number of molecules and they're [/i]molecules[/i] then it's sort of impossible for him to not only go atomic but then SUB-atomic. I mean, how do you reduce the space between molecules beyond the size OF a molecule?!
And the reverse works the same too, a super-sized model train that has the space between molecules widened is still going to weigh as much as a model train which means it's not going to crush a car.
But, I'm thinking too much about it.
Still, really liked it and was a good movie. Marvel continues to win.
There's a question I have that the movie didn't make clear or other. It tries to "explain" how the technology works by saying the particles/device or whatever reduces the space between molecules in order to make things smaller. It's not actually shrinking things, reducing the number of molecules or anything like that, it's simply reducing the space between molecules to make things smaller.
While "theoretically" it makes sense it sort of makes a number of things that happen in the movie impossible. If Scott has the same number of molecules in his body then he weighs the same (the space between molecules is empty, no mass, no weight) and if he weighs the same, and is just much more dense, which makes a lot of the things he does impossible. He'd still be a some-200lb man riding a model train, or leaping off people, etc.
Which is sort of silly. And since he's still the same number of molecules and they're [/i]molecules[/i] then it's sort of impossible for him to not only go atomic but then SUB-atomic. I mean, how do you reduce the space between molecules beyond the size OF a molecule?!
And the reverse works the same too, a super-sized model train that has the space between molecules widened is still going to weigh as much as a model train which means it's not going to crush a car.
But, I'm thinking too much about it.
Still, really liked it and was a good movie. Marvel continues to win.
They said in the movie that he gets stronger as he shrinks.
In the comics he's still fullsized human strength at ant size.
In the comics he's still fullsized human strength at ant size.
Which.... Isn't what I'm talking about.
They say it reduces the space between molecules. It doesn't reduce the number of molecules. It doesn't actually shrink the molecules. It doesn't shift his mass into another dimension or some other comic-book technobabble.
It simply reduces the space between molecules.
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Becomes:
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Same number of molecules. Same amount of mass.
Space between molecules weighs nothing (if it weighed something there'd be mass there, ergo, molecules.)
So if he has the same number of molecules and the same mass then he weighs the same, he's just a lot more dense. Now, whether or not a 200-lb man the size of an ant is *too* dense without causing ripples in the fabric of space is another question.
But at the very least he still weighs the same, which means when he stands on a man's shoulder, or the edge of a gun a man his holding, that's a 200-lb mass now in that place. The guy isn't going to just stand there not noticing it. A plastic model train isn't going to move one iota with a 200-lb mass on it. Infact, it'd probably be crushed.
I would have accepted any technobabble explanation that explained how he was able to shrink and still do all of this stuff. (Again, shifting things into another dimension or something so he has access to all of his mass it's just that right now the mass in reality only makes up a small space.)
But, no, they went with "closes the gap between molecules" as the explanation, which has consequences that can be examined with more scrutiny than any sci-fi explanation.
It also means nothing is physically happening to the size of his molecules, meaning they cannot be made smaller than molecules and even into the quantum realm.
How do you reduce the space between molecules beyond the size of a molecule?!
^ I must admit, I couldn't figure out how the toy train became heavy when enlarged either.
Of course it violates all sorts of real life physics.
That said, what they meant is not only the space between molecules A and B but also the space that is between the particles that make up the molecules.
The atomes, the neutrons, the protons, the electrons, the quarks, and so on.
Molecules and their atoms and fundamental particals are still mostly empty space.
And here I will stop to speculate about comic book science, cause it will just turn out to be meaningless technobabble.
That said, what they meant is not only the space between molecules A and B but also the space that is between the particles that make up the molecules.
The atomes, the neutrons, the protons, the electrons, the quarks, and so on.
Molecules and their atoms and fundamental particals are still mostly empty space.
And here I will stop to speculate about comic book science, cause it will just turn out to be meaningless technobabble.
^ I'll also add that that maybe what Dr. Pym thinks is happening, but he may not be right. Otherwise, his tank keychain would still weigh too much to bring it along. So there must be something else happening that Dr. Pym either didn't want to discuss or couldn't explain better. After all, when one character tells another what is happening, it doesn't really make it true. I know we often take these explanations as the writer explaining what's happening through the character but he (the character) may not really know, either. They did specify he discovered the particles, not created them, so there's that. An explanation for something that doesn't quite cover all of it's aspects.
I remember when he gave up his costumes, Hank Pym still helped the Avengers by having all kinds of complicated scientific equipment and weapons shrunk down in his pockets. If the weight didn't change, how could he possibly move? The excess mass must somehow come from and go to that quantum reality. Just like the Hulk's extra mass, and a whole bunch of other things.
I remember when he gave up his costumes, Hank Pym still helped the Avengers by having all kinds of complicated scientific equipment and weapons shrunk down in his pockets. If the weight didn't change, how could he possibly move? The excess mass must somehow come from and go to that quantum reality. Just like the Hulk's extra mass, and a whole bunch of other things.
I saw this movie last week & really liked it.
They should use the old Transformers explanation - Megatron became a handgun by shifting his extra mass into another dimension!
<watches as my suspension of disbelief for this film flies out the window> Thanks Internet.
(I know, it's my fault for reading it.)
Ant-Man finished #3 at the box-office this weekend with a sub 50% drop after being #1 the past two weekends. It tallied another $12.6m to bring it's US domestic total up to $132m and it's WW take at $291m
The film does look to be developing decent legs to carry it through Labor Day weekend and the rest of summer.
The film does look to be developing decent legs to carry it through Labor Day weekend and the rest of summer.
I would watch it again in the theater. It was quite good, with some things I want to watch closely on the second and third viewing. Might sneak a matinee viewing in later next week.